Amnesty Day III - everyone has zero warnings! :)

[tall73]

it certainly made a convenient time - but if you REALLY search the Staff Room archives you will find that the discussion of whether or not to grant that amnesty had nothing to do with any necessity related the software upgrade.... or any previous amnesty -- but, whatever ...

however, the point of my small post is being sidetracked

the violators can depend on rewards whilst those who obey the rules can depend on someone accusing them of a lack of spirituality if they point out that some blessing for obedience would be both kind and generous - at least once in a while....

b'Shalom
Henaynei

As I said, Erwin can clarify if he wishes.


To me the forums are the rewards. So also is the knowledge that we are keeping our oath.

If you have a concern that we are allowing abuse by this, I can see that. However, this amnesty is due to software issues, according to Erwin. So the problem of possible abuse, though regrettable, seems unavoidable.

Since the amnesty indicates that only points, contacts, warnings, etc. are erased, and does not indicate that it is a a freeing of the banned, then this does reduce the risk of abuse as much as possible given the situation.

During the first amnesty day (when you were on staff I think), there were some unbanned, according to the announcement:
http://www.christianforums.com/t113101-christian-forums-amnesty-day.html

Later amnesty days do not appear to have included this:
http://www.christianforums.com/t3176134-question-about-latest-amnesty.html

So perhaps the implications for the board are a bit different in this case than in the first one.

 

[alaurie]

the violators can depend on rewards whilst those who obey the rules can depend on someone accusing them of a lack of spirituality if they point out that some blessing for obedience would be both kind and generous - at least once in a while....

b'Shalom
Henaynei

Please know you have blessings in the blessings you bring just by being you to those who admire your true and steadfast character and are 'blessed' to call you friend.

 

[CaDan]

Do the old usernotes still exist?

 

[Erwin]

Do warnings count towards infractions? For instance, does a history of warnings influence your chances of geting an infraction for something borderline?

If a man gets constant warnings for breaching a rule, yes, it will get that person an infraction. Warnings will only count for the SAME rule, but not for another rule - for example, if someone is warned for spamming, they shouldn't get infracted for flaming - 2 different issues.

 

[Erwin]

Do the old usernotes still exist?

All erased.

We will not have usernotes - the tracking of warnings/infractions should be sufficient.

 

[Latreia]

All erased.

We will not have usernotes - the tracking of warnings/infractions should be sufficient.

At long last, Christianity.

 

[Quantos]

I wish I would have know ahead of time .

LOL


( I was thinking the same thing )

 

[MariaRegina]

LOL


( I was thinking the same thing )

Oh my.

Glad that Erwin didn't post an Amnesty notice ahead of time.

Sounds like an episode from The Cat in the Hat.

 

[Quantos]

Oh my.

Glad that Erwin didn't post an Amnesty notice ahead of time.

Sounds like an episode from The Cat in the Hat.

Well let's just put it this way.

I've got a few teeth marks in my tongue

 

[Swart]

one wonders - what are the rewards under the CF system for those of us who work hard to never GET warnings/infractions??

Gold stars?

 

[Rochir]

Would it be possible to make undue deletions of trheads and posts appealable, please?

 

[chaoschristian]

All erased.

We will not have usernotes - the tracking of warnings/infractions should be sufficient.

What about users who had notes alerting Mods to not take action on that user's account for a particular reason?

I can think of at least one example of a user with a sig who had a user note alerting Mods not to contact or warn the user about the sig henceforth.

How will we serve these kinds of users? What will prevent repeated staff action under these circumstances?

 

[nyj]

one wonders - what are the rewards under the CF system for those of us who work hard to never GET warnings/infractions??

we all know that there are habitual violators who *greatly* benefit from these now [at least] annual amnesties.....

whilst the rest of the membership who *never* had a warning just have to continue to struggle to endure the slings and offenses of the habitual offenders who yearly get a clean slate on which to restart their willful accumulation of infractions and "near misses" and who, by virtue of their misbehavior reap grace and benefits....

while those who are faithful to confine themselves within the rules are essentially taken for granted and ignored.....

It's a good question. I believe the answer is, for those who struggle and endure the slings and offenses of the habitual offender, their reward will not come from us at CF, but from God Himself. I believe that reward is much more important and significant than anything we can bestow upon you here.

 

[Henaynei]

It's a good question. I believe the answer is, for those who struggle and endure the slings and offenses of the habitual offender, their reward will not come from us at CF, but from God Himself. I believe that reward is much more important and significant than anything we can bestow upon you here.

and by the same scriptural foundation we can leave the correction and punishment of the rebellious to G-d as well - oh, oops!! that puts all the mods out of work!

I thought mods might actually enjoy doing something pleasant for and to the members rather than have nearly their entire activity involved in cleaning up and heading off attacks, violations and discussions on who, what, how, how much and when to or not to hand out notices, warnings and infractions......


silly me, for it seems that all the responses from the mods in this thread have been decidedly negative or dismissive of the idea.....

Oh, well, wash another one.... sorry to have bothered.

Any way - Erwin, I am enjoying the new and improved abilities of this upgrade.

b'Shalom
Henaynei

 

[Erwin]

Some members don't want usernotes so I remove them, now others want usernotes.

I can easily code up my own version. Is that what members and the Conciliators want?

 

[chaoschristian]

Some members don't want usernotes so I remove them, now others want usernotes.

I can easily code up my own version. Is that what members and the Conciliators want?

Hey Erwin. I don't presume to speak for the Ombudsman and Conciliators as a whole.

I'm just pointing out that the decision had unintended consequences that impacted decisions that came out of appeals and wondering how, if the decision stands as is, we can serve to the best of our ability.

Perhaps there is a solution that does not involve user notes? This is an opportunity for community discernment me thinks.

 

[Quantos]

Some members don't want usernotes so I remove them, now others want usernotes.

I can easily code up my own version. Is that what members and the Conciliators want?

I think you should stop listing to the members, and listen to what the Lord is directing you to do.

Spend some quiet time with Him & see where He is leading you.

EDIT:
Us Members can't even decide on simple Biblical issues

 

[CaDan]

Some members don't want usernotes so I remove them, now others want usernotes.

I can easily code up my own version. Is that what members and the Conciliators want?

Let it sit for a while.

Measure twice, cut once.

 

[Swart]

Some members don't want usernotes so I remove them, now others want usernotes.

I can easily code up my own version. Is that what members and the Conciliators want?

I'm a senior moderator on another forum and the issue of user notes is a tricky one. They can be very useful, but I worry about 'secret' notes. I'm sure I would like to see the notes that moderators have written about me. In that forum I plan to suggest a process by which user notes can be made available to the user upon request. Kind of like a FOI request.

Let it sit for a while.

Measure twice, cut once.

Don't forget to stir.

 

[Letalis]

Before I joined staff, I was against the usernotes for fear of abuse. Now that I have joined staff I can see that I was mistaken. Often these usernotes benefited the member, and I had yet to see one that was used for gossip or any of the other complaint. This is just speaking of the very few that I did see...

Perhaps if usernotes were implemented again but members would be able to request to see their own?