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See post #9See #17......
Hmmmmm.....let's see:I'm aware. What I'm not aware of is what proof there is that this book was banned in the first place.
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Amazon has adopted a rule against books that contain anything the company labels as “hate speech.” It appears there was no announcement of the new rule. It was only noticed by media after the online retailer recently banned a book that criticizes transgender ideology.
It isn’t clear what Amazon means by “hate speech” or even if it used that label to drop that particular book. In general parlance, Americans hold widely diverging views on what constitutes hate speech, a 2017 Cato poll found.
Uhhhhh, OK.....See post #9
Something in particular you wanted me to see in #9?......especially since I wrote this in #17.....I think what civilwarbuff is saying is that Amazon is applying their own standard to what is hate speech. That is a slippery slope that could lead (with a lot of hyperbole) to a "Fahrenheit 451" style purging of all literature. I tend to be more optimistic about this. Amazon has made a lot of money on online book sales and will not willingly wean themselves from that by purging till it hurts. As a capitalist company, they also have the right to sell what they want. There is no mandate that they sell everything, it just seems that way.
That being said, their banning of books cannot be without bias. We all have one. I tend to think that capitalism will overcome this and the books will just move to another less popular platform. The overall result will be an even greater fracture in this country. Right now there are people who will only watch CNN and others that will only watch Fox. As more and more media outlets are seen to be swinging into an ideological approach towards business, there will be others that crop up and further polarize the American political landscape.
I have no interest in transgender issues so why would I read it? The fact is Amazon 'banned' a book that they thought at least supported/condoned/used hate speech....without any clear guidelines posted and without notification or comment. Now, they are a business and can set their rules as they see fit but the least they could is publish those rules so people can be aware of them.
Uhhhhh, OK.....
Something in particular you wanted me to see in #9?......especially since I wrote this in #17.....
... a slippery slope that could lead (with a lot of hyperbole) to a "Fahrenheit 451" style purging of all literature.
Free Speech doesn't mean every retailer has to sell your stuff.Lol, like your average modern library is going to do that! Or even a fraction of it. The once presumed "free speech" crowd is now into banning books. Who knew?
Epoch Times is beneath my dignity.In another thread I made note that knowing what other journals are NOT reporting on can be just as important as what they are reporting on......hence reading media that holds an opposing view point is beneficial.
The word has an appealing (to some) end times / millenarian flavor.... if I can get synesthetic for a moment.Epoch Times is beneath my dignity.
The only way to read the story. I have to give them my email. So I looked up Epoch Times.Amazon Quietly Bans Books Containing Undefined ‘Hate Speech’
Amazon has adopted a rule against books that contain anything the company labels as “hate speech.” It appears there was no announcement of the new rule. It was only noticed by media after the online retailer recently banned a book that criticizes transgender ideology.
It isn’t clear what Amazon means by “hate speech” or even if it used that label to drop that particular book. In general parlance, Americans hold widely diverging views on what constitutes hate speech, a 2017 Cato poll found.
Thought this was interesting. Comments/thoughts?
As for amazon doing the right thing. Good.The Epoch Times is a far-right international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement, based in Midtown Manhattan.
I used to love collecting Sci Fi series from the 1920-1960's; but most of them had had a single printing and were so old that you could not buy a new edition. So I found myself browsing used book stores wherever I went. There was something almost magical about finding a book I had been looking for for a long time among the 1000's each store had. Then I learned of alibris, which at the time was just attempting to get the used book stores to inventory their books and post them online. Once that was done, the hard work was over. I had one series where I had found 36 of 37 books over a span of 20 years. It literally took me a few minutes on alibris to find the last book and order it. The higher than average cost could easily be discounted by the saved gas and time. Just like that, something that I had enjoyed doing was gone.How? Even as large as amazon is they only have control over their own business. Other individuals and businesses are free to publish, sell or give away free of charge books that amazon chose to no longer stock.
I have no interest in transgender issues so why would I read it? The fact is Amazon 'banned' a book that they thought at least supported/condoned/used hate speech....without any clear guidelines posted and without notification or comment. Now, they are a business and can set their rules as they see fit but the least they could is publish those rules so people can be aware of them.
Of course OP didn't look. Epoch Times told him what to think and how to feel about it.Did you even look?
civilwarbuff said:"Hopefully... run the letter thru the shredder and send it back to them."
Hmm, that cuts out a lot of books....Examples of products we prohibit:
Products that contain violent or offensive material that has no historical significance.
Products that promote, incite, or glorify hate or violence towards any person or group.
Products that promote intolerance based on race, religion, and sexual orientation.
Products that contain racially derogatory language...
I have no interest in transgender issues so why would I read it? The fact is Amazon 'banned' a book that they thought at least supported/condoned/used hate speech....without any clear guidelines posted and without notification or comment. Now, they are a business and can set their rules as they see fit but the least they could is publish those rules so people can be aware of them.
No, refusing to sell because it does not meet some unspecified code or rule = banning. You would say the same if the roles were reversed......not selling =/= banning
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