Am I on satan's side by default?

[I-can-see]

Are there any reasons besides having God on your side that you think could be contributing to such success? I wonder if this idea you hold is actually true. I wonder if the border remains at a fixed place how you can say you "win" every day. Are you saying that the victories are daily? How would you know that your side didn't account for more casualties in any given day? It's almost ludicrous to think of the nievety of such claims. Take Hitler's army for example, he had everything he needed to rule the world but being human he made some serious mistakes and lost. His doctine was a load of rubbishola, and his methods were cruel and heartless yet his rulership went unquestioned. To think what the world would be like had he achieved his goals. I wonder if the world would be run by a desendant to him. You sound very patriotic, you also sound very much influenced by the idea that God is "winning" your battle, more than you seem to be attributing toward your people who are fighting in it. My friend, I wish you well in this area, I hope you will let go of such ideas and come to, as you say, "love your neighbour as yourself".

Hmmmm...I think we have a missunderstanding. I am not Israeli. I am American. So, I am looking at things from the outside in. How is it that you ignore the fact that the Jewish people had NO TRAINING, and were still crying over the loss of their loved ones from the Holocaust when the Muslims attacked? Their being able to defend themselves against such an assault is an impossiblity, yet they defended themselves AND gained land. There has NEVER been such a one- sided war in history. Yet the side holding all the cards LOST. I am not saying that other countries do not have war time accomplishments, but what Israel did is unprecidented.

If the European countries had Israel's favor, the Hitler would not have gotten HALF the territory he was able to gain during WW2. However, I will not press the issue further.

 

[ephraimanesti]

The bible does not use 3000 years as the translation. They use, a time and time and a half. I think that as about 2500 years, but I am not familiar as to what a time is. Also, the Jewish people tried numerous times to reclaim their land, and each time it failed. The Romans crushed the Jews over and over, as did every empire that took over. Then, when they give up on going back into their land, something happens to put them back in. The Holocaust. The Holocaust was a terrible event, however it DID lead to the restoration of the country of Israel.

This time the Jewish people did not even TRY to get their country back. It was GIVEN back to them. This also has NEVER happened in the history of the world with any other peoples. To be scattered, killed off in genocide, then reunited in the land that was taken from them thousands of years ago. By 1948 the Jewish people were SO scattered there is NO WAY they would have gotten their county back on their own! Then it happens.

Also, God said he would fight for Israel. Did you know Israel remains undefeated since it has been reformed? EVERY SINGLE middle eastern country invaded Israel the DAY AFTER the Jewish people were put back in Israel, and they were unable to defeat them! The trained armies of the middle east were unable to defeat a bunch of refugees, and holocaust victims! The Jewish people had not training in the art of war...and they defeated more then 5 countries armies! They beat the Armies of Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Lebanon.

They did that WITHOUT the help of the UN or the USA, or any other country! Not only did they defend themselves against the attack, BUT they expanded the territory that they had! Again, these were a bunch of refugees. If that is not proof, then I dunno WHAT is.

MY BROTHER,

Problem being, of course, that our beloved friend is NOT looking for PROOF but for EXCUSES.

ABBA'S FOOL,
ephraim

 

[ephraimanesti]

Here you contradict yourself somewhat. You say that God's word is perfectly understood yet you also disclaim yourself and say that you aren't clear about it. Which is it?

MY DEAR BROTHER,

Things mean what they say! You confuse me with your confusion in this regard! When it comes to God's Word--it is better to ignore than to twist!

God's Words are eminently clear, readily understandable, and entirely do-able for those with the will to understand and act. The gist of them is: God desire and goal is to raise up a family of adopted children who have been willingly transformed back into the image and likeness of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

The Bible is God's "Owner's Manual" for us to follow in achieving the above goal by guiding our aforementioned transformation.

What is not made clear to us--and it is, in essence, perhaps none of our business--is how and by what criteria those who accept neither Him nor His written word will be dealt with.

This i can't authentically speak to because God has chosen not to reveal it to us. For me, at least, it comes under the category of non-essential information. I would concur with how King David puts it: "Lord, my heart is not proud; my eyes are not haughty. I don’t concern myself with matters too great or too awesome for me to grasp. Instead, I have calmed and quieted myself, like a weaned child who no longer cries for its mother’s milk. Yes, like a weaned child is my soul within me."[Psalm 131:1-2 (NLT)]

I asked you what you think of atheists, what you think of decent people who may need some additional convincing about whether there is a God, not on whether the bible is God's perfect and infallible word, the truth's entirety, or the only way to live on Earth. Once again you've stated that I don't understand and once again I ask you how can you claim that someone who doesn't belong to your group is: a) with Satan; b) an adversary.

i claim nothing. i am just repeating what God has revealed in His Word and to His Church--"Those who are not for us are against us." In all honesty i have no interest--and therefore no need for knowledge--regarding how God will deal with these people. It is all i can do to keep my own house in order.

Each time I ask you answer that it is so because it's written like this in the bible. I've asked you about your interpretation of this. No answer.

This question is not an issue for me--i, of necessity, put all my time and energy working on myself, trying to utilize God's Guidance and Power in allowing needed changes to be brought about within myself. i choose not to focus time and energy trying to ascertain how God is going to deal with the rebelliousness of outsiders. All i know is that i NO LONGER NOT WANT TO BE AN OUTSIDER standing in the darkness outside of Abba's House!

I'm asking again: "Can you please provide the context in which this is stated?

The context is given in your Bible.

Could this phrase have another meaning?

No. God means what He says and says what He means. Those who seek "other meanings" are mearly seeking a way to avoid reality and responsibility. You come under the category of "those who are not for us"--the ball is in your court. Deal with it honestly and you will come out a winner; face the issue with dishonestly and excuses and you lose.

And, according to your personal understanding of the meanings of being with and not with, is it possible to be neutral?

NO. Even not choosing is a choice.

Are you drawing some sort of association between infamous historical figures and myself?

Yes. The point was that your thinking you are doing the right thing is no sign that you are. All those mentioned considered their actions right and honorable in the context of their darkened minds and spirits, but, objectively, the opposite was horribly true. In seeking to excuse yourself, remember that sin is sin, irregardless of the magnitude of the transgression.

The same holds true for you. There is no subjective conditional adaptable morality. Right and Wrong are absolutes, and are based entirely upon God's wishes and desires for His children's conduct. Love can only be defined and taught by He Who IS Love.

I wonder if this conversation is losing integrity.

At which end of the court?

I'm asking for your personal wisdom, that which is born in your mind and soul.

Dear one--why does this point keep eluding you? i have no "personal wisdom." The best i can ever hope to do is pass on the Wisdom of the God of ALL Truth--a God who you don't believe exists and Whose Wisdom you consequently can neither understand nor accept.

THERE ARE ABSOLUTES--NOTHING IS RELATIONAL! There is Light and there is darkness. There is nothing in between! That is the extent of my "wisdom" and even that little bit had to be learned the hard--HARD!--way.

ABBA'S FOOL,
ephraim

 

[ephraimanesti]

MY BROTHER,

Speaking of your apparent difficulties with understanding (and accepting) Scriptural Truths, i came across the following quotes in my readings tonight and thought i would share them as an addendum to my last Post:

"Understanding is the reward given by faith Do not try to understand in order to believe, but believe in order to understand."

--St. Augustine​

"We can't have full knowledge all at once we must start by believing; then afterwards we may be led on to master the evidence for ourselves."

--St. Thomas Aquinas​

ON GOD'S BEHALF, i WISH YOU WELL! He Loves you whether you like it or not!

ABBA'S FOOL,
ephraim

 

[StephanieP]

My husband and I just had a long conversation, very heated, and he explained it and I think it is starting to make sense to me.

I won't go into the specifics of why I started feeling this way, but basically he told me that Demons are around us all the time, working for Satan, they might not always be able to make you do something, or control you, especially if you have some belief in God, but they can influence you, they can whisper in your ear, so clearly that you believe it is your own thoughts.


that just really started making sense to me but he believes not everyone who works for satan knows they are doing it.

So in my opinion I think that even athiests can be good people and not willingly do the devil's work but might be more susceptible to his influences and workers.

Just my 2 cents!

 

[oi_antz]

The situation is that God is spiritual, angels and demons are spiritual, but humans are physical, so since the humans rule the physical world, there is a war going on for dominion over the minds of the humans. Those who accept Jesus (Christians) argue FOR God, while those who decline Jesus argue AGAINST God and in the end this argument gets so hot until God finally steps in and puts the whole argument to rest. Meanwhile we each have a free will to exercise when engaging in the battle of word.

There is a lot of fury in the argument from the enemy, I think it is due to the short time he has on earth:

Revelation 12
12Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short."

It is so unbelievable that a human can think they know better than God does, and they constantly argue with Him. I think part of the problem is the extra garbage Christians and non-Christians add to The Bible, it turns a lot of people away.

Revelation 22
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

So yes, there is a lot of influence from the enemy even in Christian minds. It is imperative that any decision we make to believe a stray idea we might get, should be scrutinized against the truth God has revealed in His holy Word, lest we be guilty of spreading lies in the name of God.