Am I a Progressive?

[Sophia7]

unless of course they were created that way.... that then opens another can of worms....

Not created to be carnivores but created with the genetic capacity to become that way at some point after the fall of man. God didn't intend for us to sin, but He created us with the capacity to do so, and the Bible records examples that show that even the natural world changed as a result.

 

[Aceybee]

Maybe in America. But the South Pacific division is very liberal. We're sending our pastors (our pastors can only come out of one collage- avondale collage) to hillsong to see what they're doing and follow it, etc, you know, into liberal style music, but, the thing which really shows just how liberal this conference is getting is the fact that they're teaching evolution instead of creation to our pastors when they go to avondale collage to get their degrees.

Note I totally disagree with this sort of behavior.

Anyway, since our pastors are taught to be liberal, our people are liberal. "Traditional" SDA's are few and far between. Its a hard, rocky road being a traditionalist.

Can I just note that
1. I was a theology student at Avondale
2. Yes, they taught evolution, but so we would be aware and be able to hold our own should we be challenged (and to make us think, not just assume, I think). The creation of the world by God was in no way challenged.
3. We were never taken to or encouraged to go to hillsongs. It was presented as another style of worship in a range that was required to be studied. Instead of being spoon-fed, we as a class actually discussed the pros and cons of all the worship styles- and we concluded that styles isn't really the point, its a personal relationship with God overflowing into however we choose to worship- not seeking a spiritual high from the worship itself.
I don't know if other classes were different, but don't get too worried about us. we are perhaps a little more liberal, but we're still distinctively Adventist
God Bless you all!!

 

[Sophia7]

Can I just note that
1. I was a theology student at Avondale
2. Yes, they taught evolution, but so we would be aware and be able to hold our own should we be challenged (and to make us think, not just assume, I think). The creation of the world by God was in no way challenged.
3. We were never taken to or encouraged to go to hillsongs. It was presented as another style of worship in a range that was required to be studied. Instead of being spoon-fed, we as a class actually discussed the pros and cons of all the worship styles- and we concluded that styles isn't really the point, its a personal relationship with God overflowing into however we choose to worship- not seeking a spiritual high from the worship itself.
I don't know if other classes were different, but don't get too worried about us. we are perhaps a little more liberal, but we're still distinctively Adventist
God Bless you all!!

Thanks for sharing your perspective.

 

[DrStupid_Ben]

I can add (as a current student at Avondale) that Theology students are not taught to believe in evolution. We are given much more information about variious creation models than evolution, and taught ways to talk to evolutionists. Also, the science students at Avondale study science from a christian perspective.

It's true that Avondale has a reputation for being a "liberal" college, but I can say that Avondale doesn't teach its students to believe heresy. Students at Avondale are taught to use their own minds to discover what they believe. This often involves learning about different ideas.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

This is my 100th post.

 

[Sophia7]

This is my 100th post.

Congratulations!

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Maybe in America. But the South Pacific division is very liberal. We're sending our pastors (our pastors can only come out of one collage- avondale collage) to hillsong to see what they're doing and follow it, etc, you know, into liberal style music, but, the thing which really shows just how liberal this conference is getting is the fact that they're teaching evolution instead of creation to our pastors when they go to avondale collage to get their degrees.

Note I totally disagree with this sort of behavior.

Anyway, since our pastors are taught to be liberal, our people are liberal. "Traditional" SDA's are few and far between. Its a hard, rocky road being a traditionalist.

Hillsong???? is that Darlen Zchech?? What is wrong with Hillsong. Is there Evil a foot.