Alt-Right Protest in Charlottesville VA

[mark kennedy]

Someone just drove a car into a crowd of of counter protestors

 

[JGG]

Who could possibly have seen this coming?

 

[mark kennedy]

Well, no. tstor gives a good overview of the distinction that has been drawn lately.

I know the difference.

Even among the actual alt-right there are very few, if any, actual "white supremacists". Just about none of them wants to actually lord over anyone else.

Yea so it's just a coincidence that they are calling it 'unite the right'

A rally by a number of people advocating for their own racial group and interests was planned and given permission, and the state governor declared a state of emergency and had police break up the rally. Sound like something you'd blame on the people trying to have the rally?

I blame an act of violence on the one who committed it. The counter protestors can be ignorant to, I just want to know how far this goes.

Given the massive and sudden demographic shifts occurring in the West, and the identity politics that have taken hold, you really shouldn't be that surprised that some white people have started playing that game too.

I didn't say I was surprised, I said I was disturbed.

 

[Albion]

I'm not sure what to make of this, I thought we had put this kind of thing behind us a long time ago. Is anyone tracking this? I can't seem to get a lot of information about it.​

Black Lives Matter and Antifa types riot and get away with it, so their ideological cousins think they can do the same thing. Then they fight with each other like rival biker gangs, that's all.​

 

[mark kennedy]

Who could possibly have seen this coming?

I noticed that thread is under review, apparently for good reason.

 

[havevisions]

I was a student at UVa during the summers of the 60's, so this is almost in my back yard. I still visit C-ville a few times per year. (I live about 1.5 hrs away).

This has apparently been building up for some time. There was a student revolt at Lexington, Va. (about 40 or so miles away) as I recall a couple of yr ago, and some at Washington and Lee Univ. (where Lee was president after the war) objected to the flags at student events where they were required to attend, so they placed them somewhere else.

Also there was a conflict in Lexington itself about confederate flags in parades, and I'm not sure what the outcome was, but I think that flags are only allowed at certain civil war events.
Groups such as KKK and White Supremists are hate groups and I have no use for them at all. My great grandfather and his brother fought in the Stonewall Brigade. I've never owned a confederate flag or taken part in any civil war event. (we lost; its over) If our African-American friends are offended by the statues, such as the ones in Richmond, then I'm not opposed to their removal, or have them placed in a museum.

We have many more important things to attend to.

 

[Redac]

I know the difference.

Your previous statements, particularly claiming that Breitbart and Bannon are the face of the alt-right, would suggest otherwise.

Yea so it's just a coincidence that they are calling it 'unite the right'

Not really. Everyone involved in organizing and putting on the rally was open about inviting alt-light figures to come speak. Uniting the whole right wing and all that. Those alt-light people just didn't want to come speak there.

I blame an act of violence on the one who committed it. The counter protestors can be ignorant to, I just want to know how far this goes.

Too soon to say.

 

[Zoness]

White nationalists out in force.

Unite the Right, indeed.

 

[TerranceL]

Well that's dumb. Not really surprising though.

 

[MoonlessNight]

Anyway, I'm kind of following what's going on. What's happened is that the rally has been declared unlawful and everyone was told to disperse as of maybe 20 minutes ago, despite the organizers complying with all permit requirements and the like.

The reports I'm seeing say that permit was revoked either late last night or today, so that it was not technically sanctioned at the time but that a permit had been obtained long before that.

I'm also seeing reports that some protestors surrendered themselves to the police to be arrested in response to this news, but were knocked down and pepper sprayed instead (and were ultimately not arrested).

 

[Pappy&Me]

I'm just getting bits and pieces but it doesn't look good. Yea the police had to break it up because the crowd was getting nasty.



I don't know how you figure, Bannon and Breitbart are the face of the Alt-Right. I am disturbed because along with anti-globalist and anti-immigration agendas there is a fringe group of white supremacists who are identifying themselves with the alt-right. It disturbs me because Charlottesville VA is in a state of emergency.



It was always there. There is nothing inherently wrong with the Alt-Right, I don't like everything about their political agenda but it does reflect a wave of nationalism and protectionism that is sweeping Europe and the United States. I just don't like the fact that White Supremacists have piggy backed into their ranks.

So your against NOI, NAACP, LaRaza aka THE RACE , Mencha, ACLU, ADL, BLM, Black Panthers, and hundreds more minority radical self serving groups?
A nation without nationalism is not a nation at all. A people who hate themselves will be ruled by a people who protects,honors and defends their heritage.
I will also add that a nation that demands self rule should not try to make rules for others. America has policed the world way too long. Our leaders sold us out to the highest bidder,imo. We were warned by Eisenhower and J.F.Kennedy about The Military Industrial Complex. We can'nt keep killing millions around the world in the name of 'demoncracy'.

 

[Pappy&Me]

I would not define Bannon or his network as "alt-right." I would probably use Richard Spencer's term "alt-light" to describe them. The faces of the alt-right would be Mr. Spencer, Jared Taylor, David Duke, Sam Dickson, etc. Some other figures could be flocked in such as John Derbyshire.

All great men. The liberals and other haters could learn a lot from these great men. Men who in the past made mistakes but changed their ways. Too bad the communist groups won't do the same thing. Instead they are burning cars, killing police, attacking innocent people because of the color of their skin, murdering and calling for the death of all whites including their babies.
Demanding America feed and take care of their millions of babies without fathers. Yea I guess it is past time we try to save whats left of this salad bowl of haters. But IMO it is too late. Only comfort most of us can get is what is coming will not just hurt us,but everyone who benefited from a great nation.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Just wondering if this is America being made great again.

 

[iluvatar5150]

4chan and the Breitbart crowd are now pointing the finger at and doxxing the wrong guy, trying to blame it on a tall, thin leftist from Michigan, not the bearded heavyset man from Ohio shown in the arrest photos. I can't link to much of any of it because of profanity, but google Joel VanGheluwe and you'll find it.

 

[Pappy&Me]

I was a student at UVa during the summers of the 60's, so this is almost in my back yard. I still visit C-ville a few times per year. (I live about 1.5 hrs away).

This has apparently been building up for some time. There was a student revolt at Lexington, Va. (about 40 or so miles away) as I recall a couple of yr ago, and some at Washington and Lee Univ. (where Lee was president after the war) objected to the flags at student events where they were required to attend, so they placed them somewhere else.

Also there was a conflict in Lexington itself about confederate flags in parades, and I'm not sure what the outcome was, but I think that flags are only allowed at certain civil war events.
Groups such as KKK and White Supremists are hate groups and I have no use for them at all. My great grandfather and his brother fought in the Stonewall Brigade. I've never owned a confederate flag or taken part in any civil war event. (we lost; its over) If our African-American friends are offended by the statues, such as the ones in Richmond, then I'm not opposed to their removal, or have them placed in a museum.

We have many more important things to attend to.

I don't care if the flag stays or goes, but the monuments should stay. The tyrants now want to also blow the 3 southern generals off the carving at Stone Mountain Park. Some will agree with the destruction that ISIL did in Iraq and other places too but not me. Yet few care about the threats in our streets from radicals. I'm just glad I'm old and most young people won't even know what hit em because they will be busy with Iphones to notice.

 

[Pappy&Me]

Just wondering if this is America being made great again.

I guess that is all according to what you call great. If you call the sickest, most immoral and violent nation on earth great then yes it is great. It was great at one time when we were united and willing to protect it instead of others resources we wanted. Too bad it killed millions giving them all that ' freedumb. Now The Great One is dancing to the Arabian sword shuffle while rubbing the Arabian crystal ball looking pagan globe. We are in serious trouble.IMO. Passing forfeiture asset laws and giving millions of tech jobs to others.

 

[Hank77]

Dang.

If they had a permit, why in the world would the city post/say that? Hopefully it's something as simple and honest as they genuinely didn't know.

From what I saw it was the Friday night assembly on the university campus that was unlawful, not Saturday's rally.

 

[Hank77]

Someone just drove a car into a crowd of of counter protestors

The car was driven into anti-protesters, which killed one person and hit I believe six others.

 

[Nithavela]

Torches, Confederate flags and their chant was, 'white lives matter'.

I guess this is what cultural appropriation feels like...

 

[Non sequitur]

That they had a permit? No, they all knew. The permit to assemble in that specific park was granted a while ago, then it was revoked by the city yesterday or the day before. They went to court I think yesterday and a judge reinstated the permit. Everyone knew the rally was above-board, and they found a way to help antifa run them out of the city regardless.

Did they go to the rally before of after it was reinstated?