Allah is not the God of Abraham

[CherubRam]

Exodus 3:15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”


Where in the Quran is God’s personal name Yahwah?

 

[ViaCrucis]

The name allah is the name of a pagan idol..

False. The word Allah is the Arabic cognate with the Hebrew Eloah and Aramaic Eloha/Elah/Aloha. Arabic, Hebrew, and Aramaic are three languages which belong to the Semitic language family, other Semitic languages include Ugaritic, Akkadian, and Aramean, though these are long extinct. The generic word for "god" in these languages is 'lu (Ugaritic), ilu (Akkadian), el (Hebrew), ilah (Arabic), 'l (Aramaic), etc. In Hebrew we can say Eloah, or more specifically Ha-Eloah (the God), the definite article in Hebrew is the prefix ha-, whereas in Arabic the definite article is the prefix al-, thus al-ilah, or allah. Allah, is therefore literally translated "the God", however in English we almost never include the definite article and so we treat it instead as a proper noun: God. We do the same thing when translating the Greek hos theos, we don't say "the God" we just translate it as "God".

Before Muhammad Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians were already praying to Allah, for the same reason that German-speaking Jews and Christians pray to Gott, Japanese-speaking Jews and Christians pray to Kami-Sama, and English-speaking Jews and Christians pray to God.

This "Allah is the name of a pagan god" argument is objectively and demonstrably false. It has no basis in history, linguistic, or fact; it is an entirely fabricated claim which is intended to attack Islam but, in reality, it simply demonstrates ignorance and results in an attack on all Arabic-speaking people the world over regardless of religion. Ultimately, it just makes the one making the argument look foolish and ignorant.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Exodus 3:15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”


Where in the Quran is God’s personal name Yahwah?

Where in the Bible is God's personal name Yahwah? I'm familiar with the Tetrigrammiton, but "Yahwah" isn't found in the Bible, in any language.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[CherubRam]

Where in the Bible is God's personal name Yahwah? I'm familiar with the Tetrigrammiton, but "Yahwah" isn't found in the Bible, in any language.

-CryptoLutheran

Holman Bible: BibleGateway - : yahweh
Exodus 3:15
God also said to Moses, “Say this to the Israelites: Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever; this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

 

[Armoured]

False. The word Allah is the Arabic cognate with the Hebrew Eloah and Aramaic Eloha/Elah/Aloha. Arabic, Hebrew, and Aramaic are three languages which belong to the Semitic language family, other Semitic languages include Ugaritic, Akkadian, and Aramean, though these are long extinct. The generic word for "god" in these languages is 'lu (Ugaritic), ilu (Akkadian), el (Hebrew), ilah (Arabic), 'l (Aramaic), etc. In Hebrew we can say Eloah, or more specifically Ha-Eloah (the God), the definite article in Hebrew is the prefix ha-, whereas in Arabic the definite article is the prefix al-, thus al-ilah, or allah. Allah, is therefore literally translated "the God", however in English we almost never include the definite article and so we treat it instead as a proper noun: God. We do the same thing when translating the Greek hos theos, we don't say "the God" we just translate it as "God".

Before Muhammad Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians were already praying to Allah, for the same reason that German-speaking Jews and Christians pray to Gott, Japanese-speaking Jews and Christians pray to Kami-Sama, and English-speaking Jews and Christians pray to God.

This "Allah is the name of a pagan god" argument is objectively and demonstrably false. It has no basis in history, linguistic, or fact; it is an entirely fabricated claim which is intended to attack Islam but, in reality, it simply demonstrates ignorance and results in an attack on all Arabic-speaking people the world over regardless of religion. Ultimately, it just makes the one making the argument look foolish and ignorant.

-CryptoLutheran

Three absolutely accurate paragraphs.

What do you reckon it's chances are against one "Allah is a pagan Moon god" sentence?

 

[CherubRam]

False. The word Allah is the Arabic cognate with the Hebrew Eloah and Aramaic Eloha/Elah/Aloha. Arabic, Hebrew, and Aramaic are three languages which belong to the Semitic language family, other Semitic languages include Ugaritic, Akkadian, and Aramean, though these are long extinct. The generic word for "god" in these languages is 'lu (Ugaritic), ilu (Akkadian), el (Hebrew), ilah (Arabic), 'l (Aramaic), etc. In Hebrew we can say Eloah, or more specifically Ha-Eloah (the God), the definite article in Hebrew is the prefix ha-, whereas in Arabic the definite article is the prefix al-, thus al-ilah, or allah. Allah, is therefore literally translated "the God", however in English we almost never include the definite article and so we treat it instead as a proper noun: God. We do the same thing when translating the Greek hos theos, we don't say "the God" we just translate it as "God".

Before Muhammad Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians were already praying to Allah, for the same reason that German-speaking Jews and Christians pray to Gott, Japanese-speaking Jews and Christians pray to Kami-Sama, and English-speaking Jews and Christians pray to God.

This "Allah is the name of a pagan god" argument is objectively and demonstrably false. It has no basis in history, linguistic, or fact; it is an entirely fabricated claim which is intended to attack Islam but, in reality, it simply demonstrates ignorance and results in an attack on all Arabic-speaking people the world over regardless of religion. Ultimately, it just makes the one making the argument look foolish and ignorant.

-CryptoLutheran

IS ALLAH REALLY GOD OR ELOHIM?
We must deal with Ahmed Deedat and the Mullahs who claim that Allah can be found in the Bible. If their claim is true, then we come to a grinding halt, and, as you will see later, Elohim is in big trouble if Allah is another name for the God of the Bible.

Using Ahmed Deedat's booklet, What is His Name? (What is His Name, Ahmed Deedat) On page 25 of Deedat's book, he gives a list of the names of deities in Hebrew, English, and Arabic. It is a very clever list. He claims that Elah, a Hebrew Bible name, is the same as ILAH in Arabic. There is just one problem. Nowhere in the Hebrew Bible is Elah the name of God. It is the name of a man and the name of an oak tree. (Pictorial Ency. of the Bible, Zondervan, Grand Rapids, MI, USA, Vol. 5.) The "EL" prefix may have been included in the name Elah by ungodly rebellious Jews because certain oak trees were used for worship of EL, which Elohim hated.

 

[CherubRam]

False. The word Allah is the Arabic cognate with the Hebrew Eloah and Aramaic Eloha/Elah/Aloha. Arabic, Hebrew, and Aramaic are three languages which belong to the Semitic language family, other Semitic languages include Ugaritic, Akkadian, and Aramean, though these are long extinct. The generic word for "god" in these languages is 'lu (Ugaritic), ilu (Akkadian), el (Hebrew), ilah (Arabic), 'l (Aramaic), etc. In Hebrew we can say Eloah, or more specifically Ha-Eloah (the God), the definite article in Hebrew is the prefix ha-, whereas in Arabic the definite article is the prefix al-, thus al-ilah, or allah. Allah, is therefore literally translated "the God", however in English we almost never include the definite article and so we treat it instead as a proper noun: God. We do the same thing when translating the Greek hos theos, we don't say "the God" we just translate it as "God".

Before Muhammad Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians were already praying to Allah, for the same reason that German-speaking Jews and Christians pray to Gott, Japanese-speaking Jews and Christians pray to Kami-Sama, and English-speaking Jews and Christians pray to God.

This "Allah is the name of a pagan god" argument is objectively and demonstrably false. It has no basis in history, linguistic, or fact; it is an entirely fabricated claim which is intended to attack Islam but, in reality, it simply demonstrates ignorance and results in an attack on all Arabic-speaking people the world over regardless of religion. Ultimately, it just makes the one making the argument look foolish and ignorant.

-CryptoLutheran

Dr. Scofield says that "EL" is combined with "ALAH" to give the name of God, which is bizarre, since the two words do not contract into Elohim, as any primary student can see! "ALAH" supposedly gives the concept of an oath to the name of God. First, "ALAH" is a plain Hebrew word, not a contraction as with "Allah" of Islam which comes from "AL ILah," and thus the double "LL." So, "ALAH" in Hebrew has no relationship linguistically to the Allah of Arabic and the Koran.
Second, there is no record in the history of the Hebrew language that "ALAH" is part of the concept of "EL" or "Elohim." This is why the revised edition of the Scofield Reference Bible omitted the note on "ALAH."
Ahmed Deedat has been very helpful to use Schofield's erroneous note. He has shown that Mohammad was not the only one to blunder by listening to Satan in the Koran, Sura 53. Allah is not in the Bible, and Elohim is not in the Koran or Mecca. So what is the origin of Allah? Allah was not an invention or revelation brought to Mohammad during his visits to the caves outside of Mecca because Allah existed long before Mohammad showed up on the scene.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Holman Bible: BibleGateway - : yahweh
Exodus 3:15
God also said to Moses, “Say this to the Israelites: Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever; this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

Yep, it says Yahweh there, not Yahwah. And I'd also point out that rendering the Tetragrammaton as Yahweh, while the most common pronunciation, is still speculative since the pronunciation is lost to us.

You haven't said anything to refute what I said.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Armoured]

IS ALLAH REALLY GOD OR ELOHIM?
We must deal with Ahmed Deedat and the Mullahs who claim that Allah can be found in the Bible. If their claim is true, then we come to a grinding halt, and, as you will see later, Elohim is in big trouble if Allah is another name for the God of the Bible.

Using Ahmed Deedat's booklet, What is His Name? (What is His Name, Ahmed Deedat) On page 25 of Deedat's book, he gives a list of the names of deities in Hebrew, English, and Arabic. It is a very clever list. He claims that Elah, a Hebrew Bible name, is the same as ILAH in Arabic. There is just one problem. Nowhere in the Hebrew Bible is Elah the name of God. It is the name of a man and the name of an oak tree. (Pictorial Ency. of the Bible, Zondervan, Grand Rapids, MI, USA, Vol. 5.) The "EL" prefix may have been included in the name Elah by ungodly rebellious Jews because certain oak trees were used for worship of EL, which Elohim hated.

You mean 6th century Arabic has different sounding words to bronze age Hebrew? Shocking!

 

[ViaCrucis]

Dr. Scofield says that "EL" is combined with "ALAH" to give the name of God, which is bizarre, since the two words do not contract into Elohim, as any primary student can see! "ALAH" supposedly gives the concept of an oath to the name of God. First, "ALAH" is a plain Hebrew word, not a contraction as with "Allah" of Islam which comes from "AL ILah," and thus the double "LL." So, "ALAH" in Hebrew has no relationship linguistically to the Allah of Arabic and the Koran.
Second, there is no record in the history of the Hebrew language that "ALAH" is part of the concept of "EL" or "Elohim." This is why the revised edition of the Scofield Reference Bible omitted the note on "ALAH."
Ahmed Deedat has been very helpful to use Schofield's erroneous note. He has shown that Mohammad was not the only one to blunder by listening to Satan in the Koran, Sura 53. Allah is not in the Bible, and Elohim is not in the Koran or Mecca. So what is the origin of Allah? Allah was not an invention or revelation brought to Mohammad during his visits to the caves outside of Mecca because Allah existed long before Mohammad showed up on the scene.

"Alah" isn't used in Hebrew as a name for God. In Hebrew we have אל‎‎ el, אֱלֹהִים‎ elohim, and אֱל֫וֹהַּ eloah.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

IS ALLAH REALLY GOD OR ELOHIM?
We must deal with Ahmed Deedat and the Mullahs who claim that Allah can be found in the Bible.

No. That's easy enough to demonstrate false since the Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. We're not going to find Arabic anywhere.

So we don't have to deal with Ahmed Deedat's bogus claims. And we don't have to construct new bogus claims to do so. We simply have to understand how languages work.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Three absolutely accurate paragraphs.

What do you reckon it's chances are against one "Allah is a pagan Moon god" sentence?

Anyone who cares enough to bother with basic facts probably didn't believe the moon god nonsense anyway.
Anyone who believes in the moon god nonsense probably isn't going to care much about facts.

Though it's always possible that maybe someone was simply misinformed and being presented with correct information may help them out, that does happen; even if experience has taught me that it's rare.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[CherubRam]

No. That's easy enough to demonstrate false since the Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. We're not going to find Arabic anywhere.

So we don't have to deal with Ahmed Deedat's bogus claims. And we don't have to construct new bogus claims to do so. We simply have to understand how languages work.

-CryptoLutheran

Aramaic, Arabic, and Hebrew are related languages. This subject is beyond your education. Go find another subject to discuss.

 

[Armoured]

Aramaic, Arabic, and Hebrew are related languages. This subject is beyond your education. Go find another subject to discuss.

Related is not identical. Allah and Elohim are related.

 

[CherubRam]

Related is not identical. Allah and Elohim are related.

The only relation between the two is that they both have the word "God."

 

[Armoured]

The only relation between the two is that they both have the word "God."

They come from the same cultural and linguistic root.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Aramaic, Arabic, and Hebrew are related languages. This subject is beyond your education. Go find another subject to discuss.

Classy response. ViaCrucis is one of the most knowledgeable posters here.

 

[habibii zahra]

Quoting the Koran or insisting that Mohammad's god is not a pagan deity don't seem like proofs.

you have lots than that in the post I've written..you have the origin of ALLAH's name and you have Christians who are using the name ALLAH as their lord the father

 

[habibii zahra]

Zayd believed that the words of Allah needed to be collected in one place and preserved, the Caliph Abu Bakr ordered all people who had written pages of Mohammad’s sayings to compile them in one place. The project was organized and supervised by Zayd bin Thabit. The Quran was put together by a committee of four men headed by Zayd bin Thabit.

the Quran was put together by the cousin of the prophet Imam Ali
ALLAH is the name of god in Arabic having a Hebrew match in the torah plz look at the origin of the name of ALLAH in my post

 

[habibii zahra]

The name allah is the name of a pagan idol..

Fact::: muhammad was a pagan idol worshiper born into a pagan family and tribe until he became a muslim..
Fact::: muhammads father was a pagan idol worshiper born into a pagan family in a pagan tribe..
Fact::: muhammads grand father was a pagan idol worshiper..

Fact::: muhammads father was named ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abdul-Mutallib
Fact::: The name Abdullah translated means Servant of Allah.

In no way would the grandfather of muhammad a pagan name his son ( the father of muhammad) Abdullah ( servant of allah) if allah was the name of the God of Abraham.. muhammads grand father was a worshiper of idols and rejected the God of Abraham.

Muhammad used to worship the god of abraham before the revelation of islam

“ALLAH” is not a pagan idol

Read the post 27 from this thread you will understand

Allah is not the God of Abraham

The grandfather of Mohammad and his father used to worship the god of Abraham that is why he named his son as “Abdullah”

Being an idol worshiper is a great lie over the grandfather of mohammad and over his father