All We Have Is the Old Testament, The 4 Gospels & Revelation

[JTKIRK]

I already read the book.

Good, well done. the question is if you as you stated Burned part of it, what are you now going to do with the rest of it? Remember the opening thread question (Here it is so you can READ it).

[FONT=&quot]We are marooned an a desert island and among our meager belongings is a worn out Bible. It is so worn out, in fact, that most of the New Testament is gone ...the pages are missing. Most of the Bible is intact ...I mean, we DO have the Old Testament, the 4 complete gospels and the entire book of Revelation. We surmise that there is more but we don't know what is missing. So we don't know WHAT we're missing! We have what we have and that's it.

Would we have enough information available to 'save' us for eternal life? And, what would we find missing from our island 'church' that we find in abundance now in our churches? I mean, many of today's churches are SO Pauline in culture that we would surely see some major differences with the absence of his epistles alone. Remember, Paul is gone. We have no idea who he is.

Would our belief systems be the same as now and, if not, how would they be different?

Would the Holy Spirit still provide us with the same gifts ...even though the reading literature concerning the gifts is not there?

Would we believe that the Law had been nailed to the cross?

Would we be ordaining women into the church?

Would we be contented with just ONE denomination or would we want to branch out and form others because of our differences in interpretation of the Old Testament, the 4 gospels and Revelation?
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[PhilosophicalBluster]

I'm not quite sure what you're going here, since everybody seems to have a different vision of what G-d is and / or should be. I certainly would not establish Christianity on the island, I would probably read it every so often if I got bored, and not much else.

 

[JTKIRK]

I'm not quite sure what you're going here, since everybody seems to have a different vision of what G-d is and / or should be. I certainly would not establish Christianity on the island, I would probably read it every so often if I got bored, and not much else.

Fair enough.
So how would you feel if your children are reading and believing it?

 

[radlad72]

Can I just say that Paul is not the only writer of letters in the NT? Just come out and say what you mean JT. Are you saying that we shouldn't have anything written by Paul int the Bible? People seem to forget that John, James, Jude and Peter also wrote Epistles that are included in the NT canon.

 

[JTKIRK]

Can I just say that Paul is not the only writer of letters in the NT? Just come out and say what you mean JT. Are you saying that we shouldn't have anything written by Paul int the Bible? People seem to forget that John, James, Jude and Peter also wrote Epistles that are included in the NT canon.

The point is none of those books are available. Thus there is no chance or choice of Churches being Paulin in nature. (Also no arguments if woman could take a leadership role in a church)
I also wonder about these Paul letters, how they were all found/kept by the churches who received them, but no record of the question asked or clarifications sought, Even back then this is highly irregular.

 

[radlad72]

The point is none of those books are available. Thus there is no chance or choice of Churches being Paulin in nature. (Also no arguments if woman could take a leadership role in a church)
I also wonder about these Paul letters, how they were all found/kept by the churches who received them, but no record of the question asked or clarifications sought, Even back then this is highly irregular.

My point is: How could they be Pauline in nature if John's books were there? Or Jude's book, or the book written by James? Or Peter? (In fact if they still had Peter's writings they would probably be completely the opposite to Pauline in nature since Paul and Peter were not the best of friends). They couldn't be. These people are not Paul and thus could still have their books in the canon if all you are worried about are Paul's writings, don't you think?

P.S. I think it is the interpretations of Paul's writings, rather than the writings themselves, that are the problem.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

The library of Alexandria held far more books of the Bible than you currently have and when that library burned down much of it was lost. How do you even know that what you currently have is enough or even is not invalidated by subsequent lost books?

The content of the New testament is not a glowing endorsement for the followers or the leadership of Christianity to feel they somehow have been given an endorsement as the best people on earth.

What IS in the New Testament is amazing. It is only written to believers and is critical towards them. Not exactly a great piece of political propaganda.

Somebody decided to allow "an" authority to be established at the cost of those claiming to be the adherants of what is written.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Good, well done. the question is if you as you stated Burned part of it, what are you now going to do with the rest of it? Remember the opening thread question (Here it is so you can READ it).

[FONT=&quot]We are marooned an a desert island and among our meager belongings is a worn out Bible. It is so worn out, in fact, that most of the New Testament is gone ...the pages are missing. Most of the Bible is intact ...I mean, we DO have the Old Testament, the 4 complete gospels and the entire book of Revelation. We surmise that there is more but we don't know what is missing. So we don't know WHAT we're missing! We have what we have and that's it.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Would we have enough information available to 'save' us for eternal life? And, what would we find missing from our island 'church' that we find in abundance now in our churches? I mean, many of today's churches are SO Pauline in culture that we would surely see some major differences with the absence of his epistles alone. Remember, Paul is gone. We have no idea who he is.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Would our belief systems be the same as now and, if not, how would they be different?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Would the Holy Spirit still provide us with the same gifts ...even though the reading literature concerning the gifts is not there?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Would we believe that the Law had been nailed to the cross?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Would we be ordaining women into the church?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Would we be contented with just ONE denomination or would we want to branch out and form others because of our differences in interpretation of the Old Testament, the 4 gospels and Revelation?[/FONT]

If it were me on that island, I would not be using leaves for personal cleanliness while I had paper at my disposal. I would be left with the four Gospels and only some of the OT booklets, after awhile. Then, I would use leaves. Since Revelation is something that can't be stopped, it would be the first "to go" if you know what I mean.

God is God with or without a Bible. Abraham didn't have a Bible. And actually, niether did any Israelite either. The judges maybe and Moses only had some of it given to him.

Great thread topic.

If I were able to choose a book to have while marooned on an island, it would be a book on how to build a sound boat without metal tools.

 

[daydreamergurl15]

The library of Alexandria held far more books of the Bible than you currently have and when that library burned down much of it was lost. How do you even know that what you currently have is enough or even is not invalidated by subsequent lost books?

If all the books in the library of Alexandria were burned down, then how did we know that it held more books of the bible? You are assuming that the bible in Alexandria was the only known copy with all the "other lost books". We have found older and newer manuscripts, all of them give credence to the bible we have today. And to assume that any more would invalidate what we already know is one sided, it could just as easily validate the scriptures like the older and newer manuscripts that were found.

 

[daydreamergurl15]

If it were me on that island, I would not be using leaves for personal cleanliness while I had paper at my disposal. I would be left with the four Gospels and only some of the OT booklets, after awhile. Then, I would use leaves. Since Revelation is something that can't be stopped, it would be the first "to go" if you know what I mean.

God is God with or without a Bible. Abraham didn't have a Bible. And actually, niether did any Israelite either. The judges maybe and Moses only had some of it given to him.

Great thread topic.

If I were able to choose a book to have while marooned on an island, it would be a book on how to build a sound boat without metal tools.

I don't mean to sound nasty, but if you are on an island and you want to be clean, why not just use water after you've done your business in the sand somewhere?

 

[PhilosophicalBluster]

Fair enough.
So how would you feel if your children are reading and believing it?

If I ever have children, they are free to believe what they want to.

 

[JTKIRK]

If I ever have children, they are free to believe what they want to.

Even if it goes in a totally opposite vain to your beliefs?