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all seemed to have a deep sense of their unworthiness

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On another forum someone posted this:

"I am of the opinion that when we allow our hearts (consciences) to tell us how unworthy, worthless, and sinful we are, we risk becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. We convince ourselves in our hearts that we are intrinsically evil, and we become what we perceive. On the other hand, when we put our entire faith into the grace and merits of our Savior and allow our hearts to tell us that through grace by faith we ARE worthy and we ARE saved, we may actually start acting that way."
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to this I replied: please correct me if I am wrong. May be I misunderstood what you wrote in the above post for, speaking of those who are to enter into the time of Jacob's trouble, after the close of probation, we read:

"Darkness thickened around them; yet they stood firm, approved of God, and trusting in Him. I saw them perplexed; next I heard them crying unto God earnestly. Day and night their cry ceased not: 'Your will, O God, be done! If it can glorify Your name, make a way of escape for Your people! Deliver us from the heathen around about us. They have appointed us unto death; but Your arm can bring salvation.' These are all the words which I can bring to mind. All seemed to have a deep sense of their unworthiness and manifested entire submission to the will of God; yet, like Jacob, every one, without an exception, was earnestly pleading and wrestling for deliverance". Early Writings,272.

They will have a deep sense of their unworthiness during that time while trusting in the merits of their Redeemer (See P.P.203) and great grace will be upon them, yet at the same time not one will dare say "I am saved" for they know that no sanctified tongue will ever utter these words till Christ shall come and they enter in through the gates in the City. (See 1 S.M.314 bottom of page)

The redeemed will never say or think that they are worthy even when the Lord declares them to be worthy. They will always think of themselves as unworthy and exclaim "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain."

What say you? :)

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On another forum someone posted this:

"I am of the opinion that when we allow our hearts (consciences) to tell us how unworthy, worthless, and sinful we are, we risk becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. We convince ourselves in our hearts that we are intrinsically evil, and we become what we perceive. On the other hand, when we put our entire faith into the grace and merits of our Savior and allow our hearts to tell us that through grace by faith we ARE worthy and we ARE saved, we may actually start acting that way."
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to this I replied: please correct me if I am wrong. May be I misunderstood what you wrote in the above post for, speaking of those who are to enter into the time of Jacob's trouble, after the close of probation, we read:

"Darkness thickened around them; yet they stood firm, approved of God, and trusting in Him. I saw them perplexed; next I heard them crying unto God earnestly. Day and night their cry ceased not: 'Your will, O God, be done! If it can glorify Your name, make a way of escape for Your people! Deliver us from the heathen around about us. They have appointed us unto death; but Your arm can bring salvation.' These are all the words which I can bring to mind. All seemed to have a deep sense of their unworthiness and manifested entire submission to the will of God; yet, like Jacob, every one, without an exception, was earnestly pleading and wrestling for deliverance". Early Writings,272.

They will have a deep sense of their unworthiness during that time while trusting in the merits of their Redeemer (See P.P.203) and great grace will be upon them, yet at the same time not one will dare say "I am saved" for they know that no sanctified tongue will ever utter these words till Christ shall come and they enter in through the gates in the City. (See 1 S.M.314 bottom of page)

The redeemed will never say or think that they are worthy even when the Lord declares them to be worthy. They will always think of themselves as unworthy and exclaim "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain."

What say you? :)

sky

I think the author of the original statement has a point...
 
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"Are you in Christ? Not if you do not acknowledge yourselves erring, helpless, condemned sinners." E.G. White, 1893 General Conference Bulletin, 178.

That is what some say they can't see.

There is no condemnation for those who acknowledge this. They are truly in Christ.

sky

a lot of self fulfilling prophecies in those egw statements...
 
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What say you? :)

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I agree with you completely... Jesus says we are to be humble and meek.. servants. What part of humble and meek feels self righteous?

What is the condition of the Laodiceans?

REV 3:15-17
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.


So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
 
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