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All Religions are flawed, and similar.....
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Byfaithalone1
The gospel is Jesus Christ!
I agree.
Now, will you answer my question, which included some more specific, possible similarities?
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in the other thread I may....however since all .orgs are flawed in one way or another, it doesn't surprise me that they are also similar given that they evolved from the RCC, so in a sense to me its moot....
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God knows in full; man knows in part. Our "flaw" is our finitude, which we do not escape.
We can know more than we do -- much, much more -- but sometimes we are lazy; sometimes we are impatient; and sometimes we just lack the warrants necessary to get from Proposition A to Conclusion F. It takes us time and experience to get them. Even when we do get to F, there's still G-Z to learn and understand, and the alphabet beyond that too...
The process is innately valuable. The just response to finitude is humility, diligence, expectation, and perseverance in equal measure.
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Byfaithalone1
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Is this not ironic in light of the claim made by the SDA denomination that it is non-SDA protestantism, and not SDAism, that is more similar to the RCC? Does not the SDA denomination claim that non-SDA protestantism will one day fit the definition of "daughters of the harlot?" Is this ironic?
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the irony is that some people choose to believe that christian religions were founded by Christ.... likewise it is ironic that some people try to judge who is and who is not a follower of God based on ancient documents some of which are difficult if not impossible to interpret.....
So BFA while I understand I think what you are pointing out, it is a moot point to me because I am not on a mission to find "the true church." There isn't one.....
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Byfaithalone1
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That is not the only irony, but I agree that the phenominon you're describing is misguided. I find it quite ironic that the SDA denomination focuses so much of its attention on the Roman Catholic Church while failing to notice the many ways in which its theology is similar to RCCism.
Nor am I.
I agree. Though I do acknowledge that some congregations seem to represent a better fit for the talents and needs of my family than others seem to, I do not think that the church that I have selected is the remnant church, is a perfect church, is a church that has found all "truth" or is a church that every person should select.
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Stormy will you give where where BFA states/ask this? If you cannot give the specifics, would you give the Title of the thread and page#. I think I have been out of the loop for a while, and I would like to see where BFA is coming from. Then get back to your comments here.
Thanks.....restin
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Byfaithalone1
The gospel is Jesus Christ!
If you want to know where I'm coming from, feel free to ask. My motives were no more nefarious than the posts in this thread will demonstrate.
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Byfaithalone1
The gospel is Jesus Christ!
Sure. I was merely asking questions that arose from my concern that the SDA denomination focuses a great deal of attention (perhaps too much attention) on the Roman Catholic Church all the while failing to notice the many ways in which its theology is similar to RCCism.
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here is the thread, BFA asks the question in post 149:
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7268521&page=8
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Thanks Stormy, will check it out
Thanks BFA
SDAism as I was brought up, focused on 'old RCC'ism and are hardly aware of the new RCC 'Jesuit' positions of doctrine. As I see things in my SDA relatives, both RCCism and SDAism have shifted to the middle, to a laodicean position.
This is quite shocking at least to me!
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SDAism as I was brought up, focused on 'old RCC'ism and are hardly aware of the new RCC 'Jesuit' positions of doctrine. As I see things in my SDA relatives, both RCCism and SDAism have shifted to the middle, to a laodicean position.
This is quite shocking at least to me!
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Of course the point of the Progressive Adventists has never been to say that the Adventist denomination has the answers or is right. We acknowledge the problems in the SDA church and as Stormy mentioned many of those same problems exist throughout the Christian world and in many, probably all denominations.
I guess he has just realized some of the similarities yet has not seen how they may also be present in his belief system. Which is typical, as most people rarely actually examine what and why they believe. Perhaps he thinks he will upset us by bringing to our attention what we have know for years.
Strange as the whole idea of a Pastor (Bishop) in charge of a church is based upon the traditions of the Roman church. Yet it is seen nearly in every denomination, traditions are huge and often problematic. Which is really why Christianity today has to be deconstructed to be reconstructed. see:
The Deconstruction of Adventism and Christianity
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Why are you so bent on looking for ironies with the Adventist church? Adventism is one branch of Christianity and all the other branches have their own particular ironies. I think you are trying just a tad too hard.
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Ok, some similarities between RCC and SDA, likely includes some other protestant churches too!
1. Free will....man's choice in salvation
2. Justification by faith...God's work in us
3. Grace.... God's work in us...guarantees salvation!
Simply said, this is what I learned in my 30 years with the SDA church. The shock was, I did not know
how closely the RCC believed something very similar. I am sure the 'fine points' make it to be more of a
major difference, but I don't see that difference in the understanding of the lay person. I am not speaking
for 'official' position of either SDA or RCC.
If you think this is way off, that's OK. Hopefully, someone else will make it more clear than I have. I do think
this difference is important for us to understand future events of this earth's history and how to relate to them!
Thanks much....Restin
1. Free will....man's choice in salvation
2. Justification by faith...God's work in us
3. Grace.... God's work in us...guarantees salvation!
Simply said, this is what I learned in my 30 years with the SDA church. The shock was, I did not know
how closely the RCC believed something very similar. I am sure the 'fine points' make it to be more of a
major difference, but I don't see that difference in the understanding of the lay person. I am not speaking
for 'official' position of either SDA or RCC.
If you think this is way off, that's OK. Hopefully, someone else will make it more clear than I have. I do think
this difference is important for us to understand future events of this earth's history and how to relate to them!
Thanks much....Restin
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Byfaithalone1
The gospel is Jesus Christ!
That's your perspective. From my perspective, I am engaging in discussion that is relevant to this forum.
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P.S. I wasn't the one who decided to create a new thread to continue this discussion. My intent was to raise a question as part of a larger discussion in another thread. However, I am happy to discuss it here if that is what is desired.
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If I may jump into this discussion, I don't think that Byfaithalone is trying too hard! That's my personal opinion!
I agree that there are ironies in every church or denomination, because no church or denomination is perfect. However, the Seventh-Day Adventist church purports to be "the only true church", and most other major Protestant churches and denominations don't!
I think that it is important to expose the ironies in any religious body that claims to be "the only true church", because that is the only way to show why this or that particular religious body cannot be "the only true church"!
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What I find ironic is the "intent" on coming together while we are divisive...
How could The Creator be considered the father of all and yet the "all" is bent on being as separated as they can be.........
The "true church" would have to one that has no walls........... (I digress)....
Well, the OP is not dealing with my opinion I suppose, let me get off my soap box before I fall off this branch.... lol.....
How could The Creator be considered the father of all and yet the "all" is bent on being as separated as they can be.........
The "true church" would have to one that has no walls........... (I digress)....
Well, the OP is not dealing with my opinion I suppose, let me get off my soap box before I fall off this branch.... lol.....
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