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[James Is Back]

I've noticed a lot of flaming and goading going on in this forum. I realize that everyone has a different opinion on the End Times whether you are pre-trib,post-trib,pre-millennial,post-millennial,dispensationalist,etc and that's fine but if you want to debate do it in a loving fashion. This flaming/goading each other just because you don't share the viewpoints of others has got to stop now. Here is a reminder of the new flame/goad rules:

Flaming and Goading
● Please treat all members with respect and courtesy through civil dialogue.
● Do not attack another member's character or actions in any way, address only the content of their post and not the member personally.
● NO Goading. This includes images, cartoons, or smileys clearly meant to goad.
● Stating or implying that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christian is not allowed.
● Only the person to whom the post is addressed may report the other. Anyone may report generalized flames or goads which are addressed to a group of members.
● Moderators have the right to report egregious violations of flaming or goading.
● Clear violations of the flaming rule will result in bans.

I will keep this thread active for 1 week just to get this point across. If you have questions feel free to ask them here.

 

[Sojourner1]

Checking into this thread.

 

[DarylFawcett]

Subscribing.

 

[Douggg]

The problem is amplified because this forum throws everyone into a pit with too many strongly held opposing views, like fighting pits bulls into ONE forum and expects there to be no tension in the posts. This forum has 359,000 posts, much larger than the other forums. Another thing is that this forum has no clear cut objective.

My suggestion in "the suggest new forums" is to have a futurists only eschatology forum, new and separate from this forum. And have that forum made up of two sections; one for discussing the Rapture, and the other for general discussion. Here is my suggestion.


Futurist only Eschatology Forum

Purpose of the Forum - to discuss and study end times bible prophecy from the futurist position that the end times events are still forthcoming, into developing a start-to-finish scenario of understanding how all of the events and considerations fit together into a non-fragmented manner.

No preterist, full nor partial, nor historist views are permitted in this forum

Rapture views area - this area is dedicated to discuss the various rapture views. Please keep discussions of the rapture in this area.

General Discussion area - this is the main body for discussion of the forum. All futurist topics may be discussed here, except the various rapture views which can be discussed in their own dedicated area.

 

[ThatTrueLight]

I 2nd the motion for a futurist only forum.

So many excellent conversations are derailed (some intentionally) by preterists who have no connection with anything future in scripture.

So AMEN to a futurist only forum, imo that would immediately eliminate the contention between preterist and futurist posters.

As long as the definition of future is defined clearly and does not afford men to claim to be futurists while actually being preterists.

 

[dysert]

I 2nd the motion for a futurist only forum.

I 3rd the motion.

 

[tranquil]

I 4th the motion.

But it has had this exact problem for so long, it seems intentional.

 

[parousia70]

The problem with a futurist only forum, as I see it, will manifest when the self ascribed "futurist" holds and inadvertently espouses views that are intrinsically preterist in nature, since nearly all of them do. (The last days began in the 1st century, etc...)

Also, Since Partial preterism is 100% orthodox, and has been the dominant eschatological view held throughout the entire 2000 year history of the church, as far as I can tell, it would be a departure from current protocol for CF to EXCLUDE certain, even dominant orthodox views from ANY orthodox section of the forums, just to appease a vocal minority, who don't want to hear other orthodox, but opposing views to their own, who simply wish for a place they could just preach to the choir..

Isn't there a private, invitation only feature already on CF?

Can't anyone create a private thread, viewable by invitation only, where like minded folks can assemble and share their like minded views with one another privately, without fear of someone coming in and breaking the rules??

If there isn't, maybe that would be a viable solution.

 

[Douggg]

The problem with a futurist only forum, as I see it, will manifest when the self ascribed "futurist" holds and inadvertently espouses views that are intrinsically preterist in nature, since nearly all of them do.

Also, Since Partial preterism is 100% orthodox, as far as I can tell, it would be a departure from current protocol for CF to EXCLUDE orthodox views from ANY orthodox section of the forums.

That's baloney. I don't consider myself a preterist at any level.

You want to impose yourself on futurists which disrupts the continuity of any topics that futurists want to have. It is akin to a staunch protestant or catholic sitting in the pews of the other person's church service, shouting out their disagreement and disrupting the proceedings. This site already has separate forums for catholics and various non-catholic denominations, and all are considered orthodox. There is no reason likewise, not to give futurists their own eschatological forum given the problems in this current combat zone.

You have a forum for discussing eschatology in this current forum which no-one is suggesting any change to this forum.

 

[Gideon]

Eschatology forums attract fruitcakes traveling from opposite sides of the room, toward each other at speed.

 

[parousia70]

That's baloney. I don't consider myself a preterist at any level.

You don't have to consider yourself preterist. But if you believe the Bible, you affirm it's teaching that the last days were already underway in the 1st century (Heb 1:1-3)

Like it or not, that's preterism.

 

[ThatTrueLight]

There's a perfect demonstration of the PROBLEM right there..

And I agree that it's intentional.. sad really.

 

[James Is Back]

The problem with a futurist only forum, as I see it, will manifest when the self ascribed "futurist" holds and inadvertently espouses views that are intrinsically preterist in nature, since nearly all of them do. (The last days began in the 1st century, etc...)

Also, Since Partial preterism is 100% orthodox, and has been the dominant eschatological view held throughout the entire 2000 year history of the church, as far as I can tell, it would be a departure from current protocol for CF to EXCLUDE certain, even dominant orthodox views from ANY orthodox section of the forums, just to appease a vocal minority, who don't want to hear other orthodox, but opposing views to their own, who simply wish for a place they could just preach to the choir..

Isn't there a private, invitation only feature already on CF?

Can't anyone create a private thread, viewable by invitation only, where like minded folks can assemble and share their like minded views with one another privately, without fear of someone coming in and breaking the rules??

If there isn't, maybe that would be a viable solution.

That's baloney. I don't consider myself a preterist at any level.

You want to impose yourself on futurists which disrupts the continuity of any topics that futurists want to have. It is akin to a staunch protestant or catholic sitting in the pews of the other person's church service, shouting out their disagreement and disrupting the proceedings. This site already has separate forums for catholics and various non-catholic denominations, and all are considered orthodox. There is no reason likewise, not to give futurists their own eschatological forum given the problems in this current combat zone.

You have a forum for discussing eschatology in this current forum which no-one is suggesting any change to this forum.

Eschatology forums attract fruitcakes traveling from opposite sides of the room, toward each other at speed.

This is exactly the problem I eluded in the OP. This kind of stuff has got to stop period.

As far as suggesting new forums there is a place for that here Suggest New Forums.

And the privacy forums. I have no clue if CF has that ability. I know that vBulletin software has that capabilty to make private forums but I have no clue if CF is set up that way. You can either suggest that in the forum I mentioned above or if I have the time and can remember I'll bring that issue up to staff.

 

[dysert]

I guess it's moot now. Apparently they've decided to go with the dumb idea of using tags to "force" people to stick to one point of view. {sigh}

 

[Douggg]

I guess it's moot now. Apparently they've decided to go with the dumb idea of using tags to "force" people to stick to one point of view. {sigh}

It's going to create pages of threads, and to find a thread a person starts he will have to go back through the pages to find it, and it will be buried there and others are not likely to contribute posts to because it is not on the opening page.

There are forums at this site for:

The Gamers Zone
Collectibles
Chess
Let's Jam
Dance
Science Fiction & Fantasy
Anime & Manga

I know that Jesus talked all about those in the four gospels and how important those are.... since those are given their own forum, but no not so for a "futurist only eschatology forum".

very disappointing...

What the decision makers should be doing is eliminating those forums and the likes of I just listed and starting a new separate "futurist only eschatology forum".

 

[dysert]

It's going to create pages of threads, and to find a thread a person starts he will have to go back through the pages to find it, and it will be buried there and others are not likely to contribute posts to because it is not on the opening page.

There are forums at this site for:

The Gamers Zone
Collectibles
Chess
Let's Jam
Dance
Science Fiction & Fantasy
Anime & Manga

I know that Jesus talked all about those in the four gospels and how important those are.... since those are given their own forum, but no not so for a "futurist only eschatology forum".

very disappointing...

I'm very disappointed, too. You have to wonder what people are thinking (or not thinking) when they come up with these decisions despite lots of good input from others.

Here's an idea. Let's just have one huge forum for everyone, and use tags to indicate what subforum it would have belonged to if there were subforums.

 

[Douggg]

This is exactly the problem I eluded in the OP. This kind of stuff has got to stop period.

James, my neighbor was out in her back yard yelling at her dog, in sentences like her dog was a human, lecturing to the dog. I was thinking, doesn't she know that her dog only understands Chinese.

What are we supposed to do with "This kind of stuff has got to stop period" ?
I don't know what specifically you are talking about, since you are not identifying anything precisely in those posts.

 

[Douggg]

I'm very disappointed, too. You have to wonder what people are thinking (or not thinking) when they come up with these decisions despite lots of good input from others.

Here's an idea. Let's just have one huge forum for everyone, and use tags to indicate what subforum it would have belonged to if there were subforums.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

 

[James Is Back]

James, my neighbor was out in her back yard yelling at her dog, in sentences like her dog was a human, lecturing to the dog. I was thinking, doesn't she know that her dog only understands Chinese.

What are we supposed to do with "This kind of stuff has got to stop period" ?
I don't know what specifically you are talking about, since you are not identifying anything precisely in those posts.

The flaming/goading points I mentioned in the OP is what I was referring to when I posted those quotes. That's exactly what I'm seeing. Bickering and such.

Guys whether or not new forums will be made is not the issue. The issue is what we have now and what staff is seeing done in this forum which we don't like to see. There are ways to handle disagreements but flaming/goading is not one of them. I'll give you an example on what not to do and then give you an example on how to handle a disagreement:

I don't agree with premillennialism. It just doesn't fit with scriptures

That's bull honky. It sure does fit with scriptures. You're just too stupid to see that. You're a tool of satan.

See how that is the wrong approach. Now let me show you how to handle this the right way.

I don't agree with premillennialism. It just doesn't fit with scriptures

I disagree with that. There is scripture to support it and here it is (insert scripture(s)).

See that is how to handle disagreements.

 

[parousia70]

This is exactly the problem I eluded in the OP. This kind of stuff has got to stop period.

Thanks for illuminating what goes on all too often here.

And the privacy forums. I have no clue if CF has that ability. I know that vBulletin software has that capabilty to make private forums but I have no clue if CF is set up that way. You can either suggest that in the forum I mentioned above or if I have the time and can remember I'll bring that issue up to staff.

I will suggest Private Invitation only forums. Yes thank you.

Seems to me the very best solution for folks who do not want dissenting views espoused.

Myself, I prefer the open exchange of conflicting interpretations and spirited healthy debate about different views, but I understand that some folks here would rather not see that kind of discussion.