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"All loving" God and Hell

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Hell is the place where all evil is punished.more like jail if you ask me. look at it this way, an all loving president will still sent you to jail for murder, and so will God. he rewards the faithful, the just, the belivers, the givers, the misionarys, all who are good.Who are not...well dont go to heaven.
 
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How do Christians reconcile the notion that God is "all loving" and the existence of Hell?
Thank you in advance.

Our All Loving God is our parent, and like all parents He has given us rules to follow and knowledge that there are consequences if we do not follow them. Would a human father be a good parent if he allowed his children to do anything that "felt right" without repercussion? Of course not. So why do you expect different from God the Father?
 
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How do Christians reconcile the notion that God is "all loving" and the existence of Hell?
Thank you in advance.
A loving and fair minded Christian could not reconcile Christianity and the Hell doctrine.. The Eternal Hell doctrine totally underminds the credibiltiy of Christianity and makes God appear more like us.

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Yes, but eternal torment (hell) has nothing to do with holiness.

Oh? How so?

I think it was man, and not Scripture that came up with the phrase:

"Holy Hell!"

And your point is?

Don't confuse man made doctrine, with clear Scriptural pronouncements.

Good advice. You should take it. ;)

Peace to you.
 
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Eternal punishment from God is not in the Bible.

Oh, yes it is! See my earlier posts.

God, or no one could bear to see anyone roast alive for five minutes, let alone five years. And eternity?

God is not a tame lion. Hebrews 10:26-31 says:

"For if we sin willfully after that we have received a knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witness: of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing, and done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who has said, 'Vengeance belongs unto me, I will repay' says the Lord, And again, the Lord shall judge His people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

These verses give a good description of God's attitude toward our sin. He takes our wickedness far more seriously than we do!

We know He would never do that. Unless those whom we trust keep telling us it is so, then eventually we will believe something so inhumane, unfair and ridiculous about God.

Yes, well, I think what I've written above addresses this remark pretty well.

Peace to you.
 
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Hebrews 10:26-31 says:

"For if we sin willfully after that we have received a knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witness: of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing, and done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who has said, 'Vengeance belongs unto me, I will repay' says the Lord, And again, the Lord shall judge His people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."


These verses don't speak to me of a God who torments and tortures without end. It speaks to me of a God who hates sin but loves the sinner, a God who will judge and cleanse by fire the sin and wickedness in man.


(Rom 5:8 NASB) But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
 
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Hi Edward,


As you can see in hell there is no fire and brimstone, no pain or torture. It's simply being in death. A type of sleep, until the judgement. What happens after judgement is another subject.

After looking into this subject for the last two years I can see that my former beliefs were something I picked up from others rather than what God's word actually says.

I am so amazed that no-one has responded to this post. It is to clear in the Word that hell it a literal place of "fire & brimstone", "eternal torment", "gnashing of teeth", "wailing and weeping", etc, etc.

Deu 32:22 For a fire is kindled in My anger, and shall burn to the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with its increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.


Mat 5:22 ...... but whoever shall say, Fool! shall be liable to be thrown into the fire of hell.

Mat 18:9 And if your eye offends you, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into the hell of fire.

Mar 9:43 And if your hand offends you, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed than to have two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched.

Mat 13:42 and shall cast them into a furnace of fire. There shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Luk 16:22 And it happened that the beggar died and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. The rich one also died and was buried.
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things. But now he is comforted and you are tormented.
Luk 16:26 And besides all this, there is a great chasm fixed between you and us; so that they desiring to pass from here to you cannot, nor can they pass over to us from there.
Luk 16:27 And he said, I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house,
Luk 16:28 for I have five brothers, so that he may testify to them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham said to him, They have Moses and the Prophets, let them hear them. Luk 16:30 And he said, No, father Abraham, but if one should go to them from the dead, they would repent.

Can you please explain these maybe?

MuchLoved
J


 
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I'm not trying to make a monster out of God. He is full of mercy and compassion and grace as well as judgment, wrath, and justice.

I wasn't, in my last post, speaking to the matter of the eternal nature of God's punishment of those who reject Christ. The claim was made that God would never burn people in Hell and so I quoted the verses (of which there are several others besides) which clearly state otherwise.

As to the eternal nature of God's punishment:

Matt. 25:46 - "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

Rev. 14:10 - "And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night..."

2 Thess. 1:9 - "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord..."

Peace to you.
 
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I am so amazed that no-one has responded to this post. It is to clear in the Word that hell it a literal place of "fire & brimstone", "eternal torment", "gnashing of teeth", "wailing and weeping", etc, etc.

Sheol: Deu 32:22 For a fire is kindled in My anger, and shall burn to the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with its increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.


Gehenna: Mat 5:22 ...... but whoever shall say, Fool! shall be liable to be thrown into the fire of hell.

Gehenna: Mat 18:9 And if your eye offends you, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into the hell of fire.

Gehenna: Mar 9:43 And if your hand offends you, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed than to have two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched.

Gehenna: Mat 13:42 and shall cast them into a furnace of fire. There shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Luk 16:22 And it happened that the beggar died and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. The rich one also died and was buried.
Hades: Luk 16:23 And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things. But now he is comforted and you are tormented.
Luk 16:26 And besides all this, there is a great chasm fixed between you and us; so that they desiring to pass from here to you cannot, nor can they pass over to us from there.
Luk 16:27 And he said, I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house,
Luk 16:28 for I have five brothers, so that he may testify to them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham said to him, They have Moses and the Prophets, let them hear them. Luk 16:30 And he said, No, father Abraham, but if one should go to them from the dead, they would repent.


Dear J,
I have put the meanings of hell in front of the verses you gave in bold.

Here are the meanings of the word hell in your Bible..


1. Sheol
The place of departed spirits; Hades; also, the grave.

For thou wilt not leave my soul to sheol. --Ps. xvi.
10. (Rev.
Ver.)
Source: Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary
Sheol
(Heb., "the all-demanding world" = Gr. Hades, "the unknown
region"), the invisible world of departed souls.


2. Hades
n.1. Greek Mythology a. The god of the netherworld and dispenser of earthly riches.
b. This netherworld kingdom, the abode of the shades of the dead.

2. also hades Hell.
Hades also means: Invisible. The invisible realm of the dead.


3. Gehenna
1067 geenna geenna gheh'-en-nah
of Hebrew origin Mnh-ayq, 01516 and 02011; TDNT-1:657,113; n f
AV-hell 9, hell fire + 3588 + 4442 3; 12

1) Hell is the place of the future punishment called "Gehenna" or "Gehenna of fire". This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned; a fit symbol of the wicked and their future destruction.

Gehenna is the only description that includes fire, and burning. The Lake of Fire does not occur until after the final judgement, the great white throne judgement.

(Rev 20:14 NASB) Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.


The parable of Lazarus in Hades is just that, a parable, and not meant to be taken literally. Jesus did not mean for this to be a teaching on Hades, or hell, He was showing the rulers of Israel what the future of Israel was to be.

Matt 13:13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive; 15 for the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them.'" (NKJV)
 
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Our All Loving God is our parent, and like all parents He has given us rules to follow and knowledge that there are consequences if we do not follow them. Would a human father be a good parent if he allowed his children to do anything that "felt right" without repercussion? Of course not. So why do you expect different from God the Father?

Would a good and loving parent the punishment would fit the crime.

Our heavenly Father is just and merciful. Sending someone to hell forever who was basically a decent person but didn't know Jesus would just be heinous.

Hell ( or whatever it should be called, maybe purgatory ) is not forever it is for reconciliation.

Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.

Fire and brimstone (sulphur) were used in Gehenna to purify the dump. This is what hell is going to do, it is going to purify the unbeliever.

Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou [art] there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou [art there].

What's He doing there? Just watching all the torment? Can't imagine Him doing that, I would imagine He's doing something constructive.kat
 
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How do Christians reconcile the notion that God is "all loving" and the existence of Hell?
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A loving God would be a Just God. I have a very difficult time thninking that a God who would allow someone like Hitler to enter into eternal Heavan without a change of heart is worthy of worship. Eternal destruction seems perfectly fair for those who refuse to change their spiritual and moral orientations.
 
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