All-Knowing Man?

[Girder of Loins]

I was told on here that man was all-knowing before the Fall. By all-knowing he meant that man knew God would provide for him, and we have now lost that. My questions:

1. Is this true and why?

2. If it is true, how did sacrifice bring this back?

He also stated that thinking holds us down.

1. Is thinking holding us down?

2. If it does, is thinking evil?

Forgive me if this is in the wrong section, I figured since it had to do witht he Fall, it would be in hamartiology.

 

[granpa]

there is thinking, feeling, and knowing.

God is all-knowing

thinking is not evil its just lazy

 

[Girder of Loins]

there is thinking, feeling, and knowing.

God is all-knowing

thinking is not evil its just lazy

How si thinking lazy? Did it not require thinking for you to write those words? If that is lazy, then telling someone to not be lazy(which requires thinking to do so) is lazy, and is contradictory. Therefore, thinking cannot be lazy. Right?

 

[granpa]

it requires less mental energy to think than it does to know.

you can 'think' its going to rain or
you can 'know' it might rain

 

[Girder of Loins]

it requires less mental energy to think than it does to know.

you can 'think' its going to rain or
you can 'know' it might rain

But thinking something can lead to knowing something. E=mc^2 would never have been found without thinking. No science would exist without "thinking" without knowing. Obviously, some "know" must be there for "thinking" to be reasonable, but that doesn't make "think" less than "know". If one were never to "think" no problems would be solved. "I think my radiator is broken, not the exhaust." If one were to never "think", one would never "know". "Think" is required for "know", and "know" is required for "think".

 

[Forge3]

I was told on here that man was all-knowing before the Fall. By all-knowing he meant that man knew God would provide for him, and we have now lost that. My questions:

1. Is this true and why?



2. If it is true, how did sacrifice bring this back?



He also stated that thinking holds us down.

1. Is thinking holding us down?


2. If it does, is thinking evil?

Not in and of itself.

Forgive me if this is in the wrong section, I figured since it had to do witht he Fall, it would be in hamartiology.

Those things which 'exist' do not require thoughts to sustain them. They simply are. Knowledge may refer to what is created by thinking. This is co-creation so not an evil in itself. The danger may be that we secretly worship the products of our thoughts and make idols of them.


There is a phrase:

God created man in His own image, and man returned the favor.


We fell from grace and grace came down to bring us back. The illustrious grace from the sacrifice.


Sometimes we can be held down, or hold ourselves down with our thoughts. Some may unknowingly trap themselves in a particular moment in time unknowingly, carrying a deep wound. Thinking can change...


We need to understand that although we think, we are more than our thoughts.

 

[Girder of Loins]

Man was all knowing and yet seduced by the power of knowledge.

If I were all powerful, why would I thirst for more power? And if I were all powerful, wouldn't I have the power to fulfill that thirst?

The same is true for this. if man were all knowing, yet thirsted for knowledge, he would know the knowledge he thirsts for.

 

[granpa]

But thinking something can lead to knowing something. E=mc^2 would never have been found without thinking. No science would exist without "thinking" without knowing. Obviously, some "know" must be there for "thinking" to be reasonable, but that doesn't make "think" less than "know". If one were never to "think" no problems would be solved. "I think my radiator is broken, not the exhaust." If one were to never "think", one would never "know". "Think" is required for "know", and "know" is required for "think".

God does not ever think.
God is all-knowing.

 

[Forge3]

If I were all powerful, why would I thirst for more power? And if I were all powerful, wouldn't I have the power to fulfill that thirst?

The same is true for this. if man were all knowing, yet thirsted for knowledge, he would know the knowledge he thirsts for.

I phrased that first line wrong lol. The rest is fine to read though

 

[Girder of Loins]

God does not ever think.
God is all-knowing.

Let me ask you this, how does one know?

 

[granpa]

you know beyond a reasonable doubt by being able to obectively intuit whether a doubt is reasonable or not.

 

[Girder of Loins]

you know beyond a reasonable doubt by being able to obectively intuit whether a doubt is reasonable or not.

So no amount of thinking on the subject is required? And you used circular reasoning. Intuit means "to know". So you know by knowing? That is circular reasoning. You have to think to know. I have to think something is correct before I can be moved to prove it true.

 

[linssue55]

I was told on here that man was all-knowing before the Fall. By all-knowing he meant that man knew God would provide for him, and we have now lost that. My questions:

1. Is this true and why?

2. If it is true, how did sacrifice bring this back?

He also stated that thinking holds us down.

1. Is thinking holding us down?

2. If it does, is thinking evil?

Forgive me if this is in the wrong section, I figured since it had to do witht he Fall, it would be in hamartiology.

No. ONLY God the Father, God the Holy Spirit and God the Son are omniscient.

If people were or have ever been omniscient, we would also be Gods. Blashemous.

 

[granpa]

So no amount of thinking on the subject is required? And you used circular reasoning. Intuit means "to know". So you know by knowing? That is circular reasoning. You have to think to know. I have to think something is correct before I can be moved to prove it true.

thinking uses fuzzy logic
intuition (feeling) uses induction (abduction)
knowing uses intuition in an objective way in order to eliminate reasonable doubt.

there is no circular reasoning here.
you just arent getting it

 

[Girder of Loins]

Could you explain abduction and induction to me, because I would love to "get it".

 

[granpa]

https://www.google.com/search?q=abduction+induction

 

[Girder of Loins]

From what I read, abduction and induction aren't very reliable, and deduction was the best.

 

[Sadalmelik]

i think that 'think" is getting a bad rap here, and "know' is getting too much attention, although i dont know this, im just trying to think here...but then again i know i think to much, and i dont really know that much, i just think i do. does anyone know what i mean?.........