I have been reading through many posts of many posters and have come to the conclusion that 90% of those that post here regularly believe without a doubt that everything in the Torah and the Prophets has been fulfilled by Jesus on the Cross. I have tried to reason with some (some are unreasonable and can't be reasoned with because they have a tainted view because I am a Jew, and some have even gone so far to say that I blaspheme G-d by following his commandments, as well as listening to Jesus by his command to keep my commandments) but so far that has been unfruitful.
Now a brief study of the gospel of John will show that From our time of knowing that G-d existed (by the words written down my Moses in Genesis) Jesus was also in existence. Of course at that time he had not been born of a human woman, but he was in existence. Now I understand that this is a hard concept to wrap one's mind around, and it takes some doing, but I believe John.
Now it says here that ALL things were made by him, and WITHOUT him Nothing that was made was made. So, that tells me that everything that came into existence did so with him. EVERYTHING.
The word translated from the Greek for 'made' is 'Ginomai'. It's definition is of course to be made but more clearly, 'to begin to be', or to 'come into existence', or to appear at a certain time in history.
This includes the creation of course as John is taking us back there, and it would have to also entail any other creative act.
The Laws of G-d given to Moses on Mt Sinai have to be included here, or we have to throw out the beginning of John.
We also have to throw out what Jesus said "I and the Father are ONE".
So as you can see it stands to reason that Jesus was 100% involved in the creating and giving of the commandments to Israel through Moses.
There are many occasions where G-d is having a communication with man where a visable manifestation is involved. Now G-d is Spirit, but does that mean he can't create a form, a vessel to use for this occasion? If we don't believe that he can do that then we have to not believe these visitations.
Such as
Gen 3:8 Where Adam and Eve hear the sound of G-d walking in the Garden.
or
Gen. 18 Where it specifically says the the L-RD appeared to Abraham in the plains of Mamre, this was shortly before the destruction of Soddom and G'mmorah.
or
Joshua when he came into the land and meet with the 'angel of the L-RD' who told him to remove his shoes for he was standing on HOLY ground. This was not an average messenger, aka angel. Only G-d himself can proclaim a ground Holy, as he did when he spoke to Moses through the burning bush that was not consummed.
There are many more but that should suffice for now. Many call these theopanies, others call them something else, but they are all identified with G-d in a physical form.
So it is my belief that what John writes in the opening of his eye-witness gospel is the Truth.
When Peter was speaking to all the Jews from around the world on that first Shavuot (pentecost) he said to them:
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Notice the Peter says here, even after the crucifixion, and arising from the grave and the ascension into heaven that this things are still to come? Which means not everything has been fulfilled, including our sins being blotted out! These will be, WHEN the times of refreshing comes, when the L-RD G-d sends Jesus back, who for now is in heaven until the time when the restitution of all things happens.
Has not happened yet.
So now you must ask yourself and examine the Torah and the prophets as a good scholar would and see what has been fulfilled and what has not.
According to Peter who was commissioned directly by Jesus to be the head of his earthly body and to make what is called Halakcha, which means the way to walk or the way to follow the commandments, which is what Jesus was doing a big part of the time on earth. According to this Peter, Shimon, he tells us through he words to the Jews on Pentecost that they needed to repent and turn back to G-d so that their sins would be forgiven when the "times of refreshing come".
For Jesus said:
But we can see from above from what Peter said, that not all was fulfilled yet, not even our sins being blotted out yet. They have been covered, but not blotted out. There is a difference.
An example of something that Jesus did not fulfill of the prophets because it wasn't directly about him and it was not he who could fulfill it, is this, found in Acts 1, again we see Peter who has the understanding of what his friend and Lord was teaching while he traveled with him day and night for three and a half years. That they needed to attend to fulfilling scripture concerning Judas.
And we see the Peter realizes that the scripture below needs to be fulfilled regarding this:
But there are many more, in the prophets and also the Torah that have not.
There are many prophecies in the book of Genesis which haven't been fulfilled and we see by the Prophet Isaiah of when they will be.
All has not been fulfilled so the Torah has not been dissolved, demolished, or annulled according to the one who wrote it and said this.
Destroy = dissolve, demolish, annul.
Now a brief study of the gospel of John will show that From our time of knowing that G-d existed (by the words written down my Moses in Genesis) Jesus was also in existence. Of course at that time he had not been born of a human woman, but he was in existence. Now I understand that this is a hard concept to wrap one's mind around, and it takes some doing, but I believe John.
Now it says here that ALL things were made by him, and WITHOUT him Nothing that was made was made. So, that tells me that everything that came into existence did so with him. EVERYTHING.
The word translated from the Greek for 'made' is 'Ginomai'. It's definition is of course to be made but more clearly, 'to begin to be', or to 'come into existence', or to appear at a certain time in history.
This includes the creation of course as John is taking us back there, and it would have to also entail any other creative act.
The Laws of G-d given to Moses on Mt Sinai have to be included here, or we have to throw out the beginning of John.
We also have to throw out what Jesus said "I and the Father are ONE".
So as you can see it stands to reason that Jesus was 100% involved in the creating and giving of the commandments to Israel through Moses.
There are many occasions where G-d is having a communication with man where a visable manifestation is involved. Now G-d is Spirit, but does that mean he can't create a form, a vessel to use for this occasion? If we don't believe that he can do that then we have to not believe these visitations.
Such as
Gen 3:8 Where Adam and Eve hear the sound of G-d walking in the Garden.
or
Gen. 18 Where it specifically says the the L-RD appeared to Abraham in the plains of Mamre, this was shortly before the destruction of Soddom and G'mmorah.
or
Joshua when he came into the land and meet with the 'angel of the L-RD' who told him to remove his shoes for he was standing on HOLY ground. This was not an average messenger, aka angel. Only G-d himself can proclaim a ground Holy, as he did when he spoke to Moses through the burning bush that was not consummed.
There are many more but that should suffice for now. Many call these theopanies, others call them something else, but they are all identified with G-d in a physical form.
So it is my belief that what John writes in the opening of his eye-witness gospel is the Truth.
When Peter was speaking to all the Jews from around the world on that first Shavuot (pentecost) he said to them:
17
He tells us here that what the risen Messiah had come to fulfill, he had fulfilled. But no where does he say that he fulfilled the whole Torah or even all that the Prophets said, there is more to come. If Peter had said this, there would have been a riot and he probably would have been taken off and stoned. INstead this is what happened.
Notice the Peter says here, even after the crucifixion, and arising from the grave and the ascension into heaven that this things are still to come? Which means not everything has been fulfilled, including our sins being blotted out! These will be, WHEN the times of refreshing comes, when the L-RD G-d sends Jesus back, who for now is in heaven until the time when the restitution of all things happens.
Has not happened yet.
So now you must ask yourself and examine the Torah and the prophets as a good scholar would and see what has been fulfilled and what has not.
According to Peter who was commissioned directly by Jesus to be the head of his earthly body and to make what is called Halakcha, which means the way to walk or the way to follow the commandments, which is what Jesus was doing a big part of the time on earth. According to this Peter, Shimon, he tells us through he words to the Jews on Pentecost that they needed to repent and turn back to G-d so that their sins would be forgiven when the "times of refreshing come".
For Jesus said:
But we can see from above from what Peter said, that not all was fulfilled yet, not even our sins being blotted out yet. They have been covered, but not blotted out. There is a difference.
An example of something that Jesus did not fulfill of the prophets because it wasn't directly about him and it was not he who could fulfill it, is this, found in Acts 1, again we see Peter who has the understanding of what his friend and Lord was teaching while he traveled with him day and night for three and a half years. That they needed to attend to fulfilling scripture concerning Judas.
And we see the Peter realizes that the scripture below needs to be fulfilled regarding this:
Then they choose from among all those who have been eye-witnesses to the L-rds ministry and choose two men. Then with the guidance of the Holy Spirit Mattathias is chosen to replace Judas. Now that scripture in the Psalms is fulfilled.
But there are many more, in the prophets and also the Torah that have not.
There are many prophecies in the book of Genesis which haven't been fulfilled and we see by the Prophet Isaiah of when they will be.
All has not been fulfilled so the Torah has not been dissolved, demolished, or annulled according to the one who wrote it and said this.
Destroy = dissolve, demolish, annul.
We look not AT that which is seen but AT that which is unseen.
