All Does Not Radically Mean All?

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All will be resurrected and renew yet not all will like it.
That seems to plainly contradict Scripture even without believing the added heresy the others with the op are promoting.
(unless 'renew' doesn't mean new heart, etc... since those resurrected to destruction do not receive a new heart nor a new spirit nor a new mind)
 
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All who are in Christ will be made alive, but not all will be in Jesus.

It clarifies that "those who are Christ's at His coming" will be the fruits, but this does not include those who are not Christ's at His coming.
 
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Universalism is wonderfully appealing, at least to me. Annihilation is at least more appealing (to me) than eternal torment.

HOWEVER, both positions face the problem that they are DIRECTLY CONTRARY to the words of Jesus. The biblical Jesus is the only one we have. If we can't trust what Jesus said - i.e., trust the Gospels at least being in the ballpark of what He actually said - Christianity pretty much turns into a pumpkin.

You would have to conclude either "Jesus didn't know what He was talking about on this core issue" or "the Gospels grossly misstate Jesus' position on this core issue." Either one is simply unacceptable for any sort of Christianity.

I'm willing to be flexible where flexibility is possible. Regarding Hell, I'm willing to say "Perhaps the biblical references to fire and torment are hyperbole. In any event, we'll see in the end that whatever Hell turns out to be is worthy of the God we worship." But I'm not willing to invent a completely new religion and claim it's still Christianity.
 
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After God resurrects the earth to be new, then all will be new, but this will not include Satan and his. This is talking about God's good creation resurrected > Romans 8:21 > this is not talking about Satan and his.
 
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I think we can rightly understand that "all things", here, does not include Satan's evil things. Jesus will not be supreme in what is evil ! ! !

So, it is wise to know what "all" is referring to.
 
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Acts 3:20,21

“And He will send Jesus, your destined Christ, yet heaven must retain Him, until the restitution of some things. (when some things are put right)”
Putting "all" things right will include putting evil beings in their place . . . the right place for them > the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone.
 
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1 Cor. 15:28

“And when some things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put some things under Him, that God may be some in some.
God will not be all there is in what is evil!! But where we are, in sharing with Jesus, God will be all. We are talking about what is promised to us, here. This is not promised to Satan and his.
 
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Here is one example of how we need to correctly understand what "all" means. In this case we have one exception.

We need to know who and what is being referred to.
 
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Romans 11:32

“For God has consigned some men to disobedience that He might have mercy upon some.”
Here it can be understood how the first "all" refers to all who have sinned. And the second can refer to all who have received God's mercy. But nowhere does God's word say He will save all.

But we do have some qualification in 1 Timothy 4:10 >

"For to this end we also labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe." (1 Timothy 4:10)

Yes, indeed, this does say God is Savior of "all" ! ! ! Good, but > it also is written,

"especially of those who believe."
 
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Huh? What's your point?
 
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Dear Com: The first all and the second all are identical in scope. Those who in this present dimension experience His glorious Reconciliation are the very ones in 1 Tim. 4:10.

You will note: especially/ malista does not mean ONLY. That, my friend, requires the koine monos or monon.

God is the Saviour of ALL mankind, malista those who trust in Him/ who believe.
 
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As part of my job, I co-ordinate a Unit that provides nursing care to people in their later years, many of them palliative. Through my career, I have cared for people from different faiths (and none), and have often been humbled by their life stories. To care for someone in such a desperate situation, providing pain relief for the suffering, those who have lost memories of their lives, their loved ones and the comforts that they once knew. This has always been a great theological challenge for me. If, I as a mere human being, feel moved by another person's suffering and seek to provide comfort and freedom of distress, then how much more do I believe that God is moved by their situation.

I am not a universalist, and I tend to follow the traditional teachings of the church regarding sin and judgement, but exactly how that will take place - I do not have the answers. What I do know that that the Lord I serve and worship is our God of love and that His love and mercy for my fellow human beings is infinitely wider and greater than my own. Our God is a righteous judge but I am always very careful not to put limits on his grace and mercy.
 
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All who are in Christ will be made alive, but not all will be in Jesus.

It clarifies that "those who are Christ's at His coming" will be the fruits, but this does not include those who are not Christ's at His coming.

Dear Com: I have one question for you. What does it mean to be IN Christ?
 
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Dear Anthony: In all are backyards are broken and bruised individuals in various stages of despair. I personally know some so broken they are beyond repair. The scope of ALL/pas is radical!

Please read the following in the centre of Romans 8>>>>

The whole of created life SHALL BE DELIVERED...
 
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That's what you get for imagining that a book will answer every question definitively.

Dear Ginger: My friend my faith is not in the Book, but in the Author & Finisher whose glorious Life leads us into Himself.

 
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