All authority

[Hammster]

Please stop trying to prove that God creates and predestines evil, as if Satan does not exist to cause it using PEOPLE.

this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.
— Acts 2:23

But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
— Isaiah 53:10

 

[Aviel]

I avoid those things. Simple commands for this simple guy.

Too bad Calvin didn't avoid it., as he's caused billions to blame God for what Satan does.

Can you imagine anything more "anti-Christ" then to blame GOD for Satan's Evil ?

 

[Aviel]

this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.
— Acts 2:23

— Isaiah 53:10

And Jesus said...>"Not my Will...but Thine Fathers, that i will DO"..

Se we see that there is the WILL of Jesus, that is HIS Free will..... and there is the Will of God.

This is further proven by the fact that before the "passion of The Christ" began, Jesus had already asked Father God to "take this cup from Me".. = (the Cross).

And Jesus, the "God man"... who is 1 Timothy 3:16, "God in the Flesh"... certainly would know that if it was NOT possible for God His Father to change HIS Mind, and change His WILL, .... then God The Son, would have not asked Him to do it.. @Hammster ...

Jesus CHOSE to do HIS Father's WILL, but He didn't have to...

 

[Grip Docility]

Who was responsible for the most evil act in history?

Satan

Scripture disagrees with you again.

this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.
— Acts 2:23

But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
— Isaiah 53:10

Amos 5:7 O you who turn justice to wormwood and cast down righteousness to the earth!

Proverbs 17:15 He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord.

Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

 

[HopeSings]

Too bad Calvin didn't avoid it., as he's caused billions to blame God for what Satan does.

Can you imagine anything more "anti-Christ" then to blame GOD for Satan's Evil ?

Obviously it's us who are at fault. It doesn't matter what Satan is. We know that he's Gods enemy. That's enough. We must answer to God for ourselves

 

[Aviel]

Obviously it's us who are at fault. It doesn't matter what Satan is. We must answer to God for ourselves

The fall of Adam, is the fall of us all..

So, what Adam chose, became our "Adamic Nature".

And yes, we are accountable for our Choices., both down here, before the LAW of Man, and also before God.

The Bible says we "REAP what we've sown".

That means...what you choose to do, is going to bring back to you.... a consequence, every single time.

There is a Theology, created by the Devil that teaches that you are pre-destined to do what you do, as if you are a meat puppet, and have no CHOICE.

The DEVIL created this theology, so that he is "omitted" from any responsibility, and God gets utterly falsely blamed for the evil that people CHOOSE to do.

 

[Grip Docility]

this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.
— Acts 2:23

But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
— Isaiah 53:10

Ephesians 6:12 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

1 Corinthians 2:8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Luke 22:3 3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve.

Genesis 3:14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
Genesis 3:15 ........I will put enmity and between your offspring[a] and hers;.....
Genesis 3:15..... HE will crush your head,
and you will strike HIS heel.”

 

[HopeSings]

The fall of Adam, is the fall of us all..

So, what Adam chose, became our "Adamic Nature".

And yes, we are accountable for our Choices., both down here, before the LAW of Man, and also before God.

The Bible says we "REAP what we've sown".

That means...what you choose to do, is going to bring a consequence, every single time.

There is a Theology, created by the Devil that teaches that you are pre-destined to do what you do, as if you are a meat puppet, and have no CHOICE.

The DEVIL created this theology, so that he is "omitted" from responsibility, and God gets blamed for the evil that people CHOOSE to do.

I don't know. I care nothing for those arguments. What I notice about reaping what we sow is its seen in different ways. A rich sinner reaps friends and their love, and they reap joy, happiness, wealth and luxury.

Meanwhile a poor Saint is abused, hungry, rejected, hated, and may even die horribly like the apostles did.

Also, I reap the consequences of my life while others seem perfect and untouched by their faults.

I dunno. I just want God's mercy and love.

 

[Grip Docility]

1 John 3:8 .......... It was for this very reason that the Son of God appeared, to destroy these doings of the Adversary.

1 Timothy 1:15-16 The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost. 16 But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.

 

[Aviel]

I don't know. I care nothing for those arguments. What I notice about reaping what we sow is its seen in different ways. A rich sinner reaps friends and their love, and they reap joy, happiness, wealth and luxury.

They wont reap it in Hell.

Why?

Because if you gain the whole world and you die and end up in hell... you made a big mistake, and all your luxury, was 80 yrs, as compared to eternity in the Lake of Fire.

How long will these rich but unsaved be in the Lake of Fire?

A.) For as long as God lives...


See, This WORLD , is the only hell that a born again believer, can experience, while this same place is the only Heaven that a Christ Rejector will ever know.

Meanwhile a poor Saint is abused, hungry, rejected, hated, and may even die horribly like the apostles did.

The Apostles were martyr's.
They were seeds sown into the future of Christianity, just as the Death of Christ is the same.

Also, Saints are the Born again.
This does not require poverty or sickness or death.

God is the author of LIFE, and "poverty is the destruction of the Poor".

Jesus said..>"i came to give you LIFE and that MORE Abundantly"......not less.

Here is a spiritual principle that many need to receive.

What you BELIEVE is your Faith, and you get what you believe.

So, if a person BELIEVES they are to be "suffering" then that is their FAITH< and they'll get it.

See, Faith does not correct bad Belief, it only Obeys it, and what is produced as your destiny...is mostly based on what you believe.

Also, I reap the consequences of my life while others seem perfect and untouched by their faults.

Everyone reaps what they have chosen.

Time delivers the consequence.

The BIBLE says that evil people keep doing it, because the severe execution against their evil, does not come, immediately.

That is THEIR misunderstanding, as it will come for them...given time.

I dunno. I just want God's mercy and love.

That is Jesus.

 

[HopeSings]

They wont reap it in Hell.

Why?

Because if you gain the whole world and you die and end up in hell... you made a big mistake, and all your luxury, was 80 yrs, as compared to eternity in the Lake of Fire.

How long will these rich but unsaved be in the Lake of Fire?

A.) For as long as God lives...


See, This WORLD , is the only hell that a born again believer, can experience, while this same place is the only Heaven that a Christ Rejector will ever know.



The Apostles were martyr's.
They were seeds sown into the future of Christianity, just as the Death of Christ is the same.

Also, Saints are the Born again.
This does not require poverty or sickness or death.

God is the author of LIFE, and "poverty is the destruction of the Poor".

Jesus said..>"i came to give you LIFE and that MORE Abundantly"......not less.

Here is a spiritual principle that many need to receive.

What you BELIEVE is your Faith, and you get what you believe.

So, if a person BELIEVES they are to be "suffering" then that is their FAITH< and they'll get it.

See, Faith does not correct bad Belief, it only Obeys it, and what is produced as your destiny...is mostly based on what you believe.




Everyone reaps what they have chosen.

Time delivers the consequence.

The BIBLE says that evil people keep doing it, because the severe execution against their evil, does not come, immediately.

That is THEIR misunderstanding, as it will come for them...given time.



That is Jesus.

I pray for them. I don't mind sharing my salvation if God wanted me to. I don't care that I had it rough and they didn't. I'm unworthy to judge anyone. I feel so unworthy.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It is used according to His will.

The thing is that people still rebel against His will and there is evidence of this in scripture.

“Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

What makes these people refuse to repent despite God’s kindness and patience leading them to repentance? Romans 11 tells us what the cause it.

“But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭11‬:‭17‬-‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

It’s our own desires that cause people to reject God’s will. God has authority to do whatever He wants, the question is, what does He want? The scriptures are clear that He doesn’t want to force anyone to repent and believe against their own free will.

 

[Aviel]

I pray for them. I don't mind sharing my salvation if God wanted me to. I don't care that I had it rough and they didn't. I'm unworthy to judge anyone. I feel so unworthy.

You are born again, and not just water baptized?

If so, if you are BORN ... again...

Then you are a..

1.) "Saint"

2.) "Heir of God"

3.) "Joint heir with Jesus"

4.) "temple of the Holy Spirit"

5.) "child of God"

6.) "Blood Bought"

7.) "The righteousness of God, in Christ"

8.) "made righteous"

9.)"In Christ"... "seated in heavenly places"

10) "ONE with God".


Thats ALL the born again., and you have to JUDGE......you have to "Discern" who is lying to you when they "teach the bible", and who is leading you to "Paul's Doctrine".

You have to do what this verse says to do with your HEART, or a CULT will get you, as the verse teaches, how they do it.

= Hebrews 13:9

 

[Grip Docility]

I pray for them. I don't mind sharing my salvation if God wanted me to. I don't care that I had it rough and they didn't. I'm unworthy to judge anyone. I feel so unworthy.

Psalms 34:18 The LORD is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.

 

[Hammster]

And Jesus said...>"Not my Will...but Thine Fathers, that i will DO"..

Se we see that there is the WILL of Jesus, that is HIS Free will..... and there is the Will of God.

This is further proven by the fact that before the "passion of The Christ" began, Jesus had already asked Father God to "take this cup from Me".. = (the Cross).

And Jesus, the "God man"... who is 1 Timothy 3:16, "God in the Flesh"... certainly would know that if it was NOT possible for God His Father to change HIS Mind, and change His WILL, .... then God The Son, would have not asked Him to do it.. @Hammster ...

Jesus CHOSE to do HIS Father's WILL, but He didn't have to...

Yes He did. And God planned to crucify Him. God used Satan as a tool.

 

[Hammster]

Amos 5:7 O you who turn justice to wormwood and cast down righteousness to the earth!

Proverbs 17:15 He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord.

Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Are you trying to argue that God didn’t plan and execute the crucifixion?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Obviously it's us who are at fault. It doesn't matter what Satan is. We know that he's Gods enemy. That's enough. We must answer to God for ourselves

Amen, satan doesn’t make anyone do anything, he can only tempt people, we’re the one who ultimately makes the decision to sin or not which is why we’re the ones held responsible for our actions.

 

[Grip Docility]

Are you trying to argue that God didn’t plan and execute the crucifixion?

Non Sequitur. My argument is well established and in no manner bound to your assumption. It has been laid out, thoroughly throughout this discussion.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Are you trying to argue that God didn’t plan and execute the crucifixion?

It depends on how you define the term “plan & execute”. Did God make Judas betray Jesus and make people crucify Him, or did God know that Judas would betray Jesus and it would lead to His crucifixion? Because there’s a huge difference in knowing what people will do by their own free will and actually making people do what you want them to do.

 

[HopeSings]

You are born again, and not just water baptized?

If so, if you are BORN ... again...

Then you are a..

1.) "Saint"

2.) "Heir of God"

3.) "Joint heir with Jesus"

4.) "temple of the Holy Spirit"

5.) "child of God"

6.) "Blood Bought"

7.) "The righteousness of God, in Christ"

8.) "made righteous"

9.)"In Christ"... "seated in heavenly places"

10) "ONE with God".


Thats ALL the born again., and you have to JUDGE......you have to "Discern" who is lying to you when they "teach the bible", and who is leading you to "Paul's Doctrine".

You have to do what this verse says to do with your HEART, or a CULT will get you, as the verse teaches, how they do it.

= Hebrews 13:9

Forgive my lack of confidence. I'm like two different people. One believes that God is love and merciful and he will not destroy me. The other is fearful and confused about things. Paul didn't consider himself to have apprehended anything. Philippians chapter 3