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[revolutio]

Well, being perfect, man would be extremely advanced intellectually and in our technology. With no sin in the perfect world, there would be no death.

Along with no free will, which, if I am not mistaken, Christians hold in high regard.

God created the infinite outer space for a reason. So that once Earth was full humans could expand deep into space. Their expansion would be infinite, just like the universe.

There is only one problem: space is finite not infinite.

 

[LorentzHA]

We couldn't expand for ever. The universe isn't expanding in the sense that new planets are being created.

Hi Data,

The Universe is expanding right now, everything is Red Shifting in every direction we look. (via Hubble). And yes there are many scientists who propose that this could continue forever because the escape velocity may be higher than the gravitational pull between the matter of the Universe.

Also-we are watching planets being (not created) but formed, as we speak. We are witnessing this in our own Galaxy (Milky Way) in the Orion Nebula, proplanetary disks ("Proplyds") are forming around stars similar to our Sun in the constellation Orion. (See: Style and Substance article: October 2003 issue of Astronomy Magazine.) If you cannot obtain a hard copy I think you may be able to read back issues here- (Astronomy.com)

And that is only what is going on nearby in our own Mily Way Galaxy. We cannot even see across our own Galaxy with clarity, not to mention look into other Galaxies to see what is happening around their individual stars. We have discovered 170+ planets belonging to other solar systems in our own Galaxy.

This does pose and interesting question to Creationists who claim God Created Everything in a one time event. Nebulas are star breeding grounds. We are watching Stars being born and planetes being made. Is "Creation" happening, again?

 

[LorentzHA]

There is only one problem: space is finite not infinite.

Finite? Do we know this? I was under the impression that this was one of the great scietific debates and mysteries? The farthest we have seen back in space and time is 13 Billion light years via Hubbles Deep Field Lens. ( 1 Light Year=6 Trillion Miles).

Correct me if I am wrong about the finite versus infinite, I thought even Hawking was proposing an infinite, timeless Universe with his "No Boundary Proposal") I know the 13 Billion Light Years is correct because I just read an article on it last night..there are still Objects -Galaxies red shifting beyond that but Huble cannot see any further with clarity, at this time) They are working on a new Binocular dual lens space telescope that will make Hubble look like a toy- Can't wait for those pics!

 

[revolutio]

Finite? Do we know this? I was under the impression that this was one of the great scietific debates and mysteries? The farthest we have seen back in space and time is 13 Billion light years via Hubbles Deep Field Lens. ( 1 Light Year=6 Trillion Miles).

Correct me if I am wrong about the finite versus infinite, I thought even Hawking was proposing an infinite, timeless Universe with his "No Boundary Proposal") I know the 13 Billion Light Years is correct because I just read an article on it last night..there are still Objects -Galaxies red shifting beyond that but Huble cannot see any further with clarity, at this time) They are working on a new Binocular dual lens space telescope that will make Hubble look like a toy- Can't wait for those pics!

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that for something to be expanding it had to have boundries. Unless of course it is only the material portion of the universe that is expanding and not the fabric itself.

Either way the matter is limited thus exploration into the infinite portion of space would be pointless.

 

[UriahOmen]

well sort out this solar system first. we could be on the moon and mars by now if the governments hadn't sat around firing missiles at people and lowering tax for rich people.

so you think rich people should be taxed more and we should not defend our nation against enemies? well first off, our nations security is much more important than exploring space. and second people who are rich didnt get rich by sitting around they worked for their money and its stupid for them to have more taken away because they make more. besides our tax money could go to more important things besides space exploration and welfare!

 

[LorentzHA]

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that for something to be expanding it had to have boundries. Unless of course it is only the material portion of the universe that is expanding and not the fabric itself.

Either way the matter is limited thus exploration into the infinite portion of space would be pointless.

Hmmm, interesting point. I wonder if the galaxies are dispersed even through space though, they appear to be. Between each Galaxy though there is not much matter or what they call dark matter.

The Galaxies themselves are not coming apart but the spaces between them are increasing.

Not sure either about the expansion and boundaries, I am only going on the limited knowledge I have on it (A few classes in undergrad-not sure how relevant that info is any longer.)

Thanks for your thoughts

 

[MartinM]

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that for something to be expanding it had to have boundries

No, an infinite space is allowed to expand. It's a little counterintuitive, but consider that an infinite set is a proper subset of itself...

Either way the matter is limited thus exploration into the infinite portion of space would be pointless

Not so. An infinite Universe with finite, non-zero density must contain an infinite amount of matter. Incidentally, if you can accept that concept, you should be able to handle an infinite expanding space, too. But the expansion of the Universe may be such that all but a finite portion of it is inaccessible to us.

 

[Hands&Feet]

wnd.com today: UFO sightings in Colorado.

SInce I am convinced that God created the heavens and earth, why would I have a problem with Him creating other life? And if He created that other life, He most certainly could even give it faith. Wouldn't it be awesome to sit down and talk spiritually with brothers and sisters from another galaxy? Can't wait for that day when we shall know fully!

 

[LorentzHA]

wnd.com today: UFO sightings in Colorado.

SInce I am convinced that God created the heavens and earth, why would I have a problem with Him creating other life? And if He created that other life, He most certainly could even give it faith. Wouldn't it be awesome to sit down and talk spiritually with brothers and sisters from another galaxy? Can't wait for that day when we shall know fully!

This is a great point!

I agree. Several people from NASA have said it would not be weird if there was life out there, it would be weird if there wasn't. The people who talk about it being "demons" are the work of the Devil are small minded, have no idea of the scale of our own Galaxy not to mention the visible Universe, are Xenophobic and come of as a little more than ignorant.

With the distances between Galaxies, if there is other life I am sure they have the same questions and wondering the same things. I wonder if small minded people on their planet would call us demons?

Many religions believe that the Universe is teeming with life at many different stages of evolution; Religions that have been around Millenia before Christianity.

 

[revolutio]

No, an infinite space is allowed to expand. It's a little counterintuitive, but consider that an infinite set is a proper subset of itself...

Not so. An infinite Universe with finite, non-zero density must contain an infinite amount of matter. Incidentally, if you can accept that concept, you should be able to handle an infinite expanding space, too. But the expansion of the Universe may be such that all but a finite portion of it is inaccessible to us.

Okay fair enough, I am enlightened. I guess this is what I get for skipping reading Discovery and Scientific American for a few months.