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Aleister Crowley

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Maybe I've been living under a rock, but believe it or not until recently, I hadn't even heard of this guy. I was doing some research on the New Age Movement and suddenly this guys name came up. I looked into him and suddenly I was overwhelmed with information that shocked and disgusted me. In case some of you don't know who this monster is, I will summarize.

Aleister Crowley lived during the early 1900s and died in the late 1940s. He was deeply into the Occult and his hatred towards the Christian church brought on by his father's death, lead him to change his name in order to make it add up to 666. He referred to himself as "The Beast 666" and performed many satanic rituals to communicate with not only Spirits but Satan himself. He claimed that he not only wanted to worship Satan, he wanted to become his "Chief of Staff". On his honeymoon, he took his wife to Egypt and performed a satanic ritual in the Kings chamber of the Great Pyramid. After the ritual, his wife went into a trance and told him that an Egyption god (I believe it was Horus) was waiting for him back at their hotel room. When they returned to the hotel, Crowley went into a trance and began writing what he called "The Book of the Law" The first line in the book was "Do As Thou Wilst. This is the Whole of the Law" After that he wrote a series of blasphemous quotes, twisting scripture and teaching hate, murder, rape, drug use, homosexuality, bestiality, sex magic and many other perverse things. He even forced his wife to have sex with a goat. Crowley predicted that after his death, the "New Era" would begin when people would begin to accept his teachings until the whole world would live by "The Book of the Law." This is only the beginning. One of Crowley's good friends was non other than Alfred Kinsey, the father of the sexual revolution. In 1948, one year after Crowley's death, Kinsey published his first book "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male" Shortly after he published "Sexual Behavior in the Human Female" In both of these books, he claims that his studies proved that more than half of all women had an abortion in their lifetime, that more than half of men had homosexual relations and that children are sexual from birth and that sexual relations with them is perfectly normal. He even went so far as to say that when children kicked, screamed and vomited when they were molested, that was just a sign of sexual excitement (Sorry for being so graphic but I didn't know how to explain it any other way). Although most people reject or flat out deny most of his research on children, he is still the reason why sexual education is taught in schools (There are even videos of children in elementary being taught how to put on a condom. And there's a video of Obama admitting that he wants sexual education to be taught to children as young as kindergarten. And there's even more. This pig even paid pedophiles to do "research" for him! Now for those of you who don't believe that these monsters have any influence today, think again. Look up Kinsey and you will see that many top psychiatrists and doctors accept and endorse his research. Now back to Crowley. I watched hours of material that just left me shocked and speachless. I saw video after video of rock stars, pop stars, rap stars and actors all publically endorsing Aleister Crowley! The Beatles have him on their Sergeant Pepper album, Michael Jackson has him on one of his albums (I can't remember the name of it) Ozzy Osbourne sings a song about him called Mr.Crowley, Jim Morrison has a picture of himself leaning on a bust of Aleister Crowley, The rapper Jay Z has a sweat shirt he wears all the time that says "Do As Thou Wilst", and the list goes on and on. Oh and did I mention that Aleister Crowley was also a Master Mason? There are also dozens if not hundreds of pictures of celebrities and politicians doing hand signals such as the devil horns and 666. There are also countless videos that show these same celebrities singing directly about Satan or interviews where they admit that some force takes them over when they get on stage or when they write their music. Many such as Beyonce and Eminem claim that they have an "Alter ego" that takes them over. And Kinseys influence is everywhere as well. I used to listen to bands like the "New Kids on the Block" when I was a kid and my sister listened to the "Backstreet Boys" and the "Spice Girls" I always assumed that these bands were safe and mild compared to most until I watched these videos and suddenly my eyes were opened to the filth these groups were singing to little kids! Look up the lyrics yourself. These bands sing graphically about sex and on stage they even do sexual gestures. These are the mildest of the bands out there today. I was so disgusted after watching that filth, that I actually erased all of the secular music off of my computer. As I went through I couldn't find hardly any music that didn't mention sex or something tied to the occult in it and I thought I was pretty conservative when it came to music. The Occult has taken over our world more than I ever imagined it had. Just look at the movies that have come out in the past 50 years. Especially recently. If a movie doesn't involve sex, it involves the occult. I challenge you to find one non christian movie that doesn't have elements of one of those in it. You can't even turn on the TV anymore without sex, violence and the occult being thrown in your face. Even the kids shows are full of the Occult and violence. I urge you to look into this and I promise you will see the world differently when you are done. I will post a few videos to get you started.




 

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Um, well. Aleister Crowley was born in 1875, not the early 1900's. He founded the Order of the Golden Dawn and is considered the founder of the modern ceremonial magick movement.... Hardly a particularly palatable person. But lurid claims based on Youtube videos make me skeptical.

You might prefer to get biographical information from an actual biography. Amazon.com: Do What Thou Wilt: A Life of Aleister Crowley (9780312288976): Lawrence Sutin: Books

As for the Kinsey reports. Actually, they only state that 46% of men have "reacted" sexually to members of both genders at at least one point in their life with 37% having had at least 1 homosexual experience. Which isn't necessarily even intercourse.

And Kinsey didn't use pedophiles to "preform research". He interviewed child molesters anonymously. There's a pretty significant difference.

And as for that thing about children and sadomasochism and abuse. I don't believe it. As far as I know, the only sadomasochism part of Kinsey's work was finding that 12% of adult females and 22% of adult males had an erotic response to a sadomasochistic story.

So... Um. Could you source those claims?
 
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Um, well. Aleister Crowley was born in 1875, not the early 1900's. He founded the Order of the Golden Dawn and is considered the founder of the modern ceremonial magick movement.... Hardly a particularly palatable person. But lurid claims based on Youtube videos make me skeptical.

You might prefer to get biographical information from an actual biography. Amazon.com: Do What Thou Wilt: A Life of Aleister Crowley (9780312288976): Lawrence Sutin: Books

As for the Kinsey reports. Actually, they only state that 46% of men have "reacted" sexually to members of both genders at at least one point in their life with 37% having had at least 1 homosexual experience. Which isn't necessarily even intercourse.

And Kinsey didn't use pedophiles to "preform research". He interviewed child molesters anonymously. There's a pretty significant difference.

And as for that thing about children and sadomasochism and abuse. I don't believe it. As far as I know, the only sadomasochism part of Kinsey's work was finding that 12% of adult females and 22% of adult males had an erotic response to a sadomasochistic story.

So... Um. Could you source those claims?

Maybe you should read Kinsey's books and see for yourself the charts recording how many [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] children have in a 24 hour period and what he has to say about sex with children. It's all there in black and white and what is fact and what my point origionally was is how these two people have had a lot of influence on our current culture and the evidence of that is everywhere you look.

Watch the first 2 minutes of this video. A leader of the Kinsey institute is interviewed. After hearing this, tell me if Kinsey didn't endorse Pedophelia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4WthJO7QJg

And look at 9:40 on this video where it says what percentage of women Kinsey claimed had abortions in the 1940s and tell me if that's even possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9bYR70vQVc
 
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Maybe you should read Kinsey's books and see for yourself the charts recording how many [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] children have in a 24 hour period and what he has to say about sex with children. It's all there in black and white and what is fact and what my point origionally was is how these two people have had a lot of influence on our current culture and the evidence of that is everywhere you look.

Because I'm not the one making claims?

Watch the first 2 minutes of this video. A leader of the Kinsey institute is interviewed. After hearing this, tell me if Kinsey didn't endorse Pedophelia.

YouTube - The Kinsey Syndrome 14/17

No. Youtube is not an acceptable source.
 
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Because I'm not the one making claims?



No. Youtube is not an acceptable source.

LOL if you say so. The information I am giving you is directly from interviews with those involved. And what would be considered an acceptable source? his book? But you won't believe that information unless you read the book yourself, which you won't. You don't want to know the truth and that's perfectly fine with me. But don't tell me that I'm wrong if you haven't even researched it. If you watched the videos you would see an interview on Donahue with Kinsey's associate. The same one interviewed in the video above who said that pedophelia isn't abuse and shouldn't be considered so. In the interview on Donahue, he admits that Kinsey made the charts about Children's [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. The proof is there if you want to see it.
 
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what would be considered an acceptable source? his book? But you won't believe that information unless you read the book yourself, which you won't.

um, you could always just source your claims from the study.

You don't want to know the truth and that's perfectly fine with me.

Hardly. I just don't take everything on the internet at face value. ^_^

But don't tell me that I'm wrong if you haven't even researched it.

I'm telling you that you are probably wrong, and if you got all your claims from Youtube, you haven't exactly researched it either.

If you watched the videos you would see an interview on Donahue with Kinsey's associate. The same one interviewed in the video above who said that pedophelia isn't abuse and shouldn't be considered so.

Thats his own opinion. So?

In the interview on Donahue, he admits that Kinsey made the charts about Children's [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. The proof is there if you want to see it.

That isn't "proof", its a claim without any substantial backing.
 
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um, you could always just source your claims from the study.



Hardly. I just don't take everything on the internet at face value. ^_^



I'm telling you that you are probably wrong, and if you got all your claims from Youtube, you haven't exactly researched it either.



Thats his own opinion. So?



That isn't "proof", its a claim without any substantial backing.

Ok. Just skip to 2:30 on this video and hear what Kinsey's associate had to say and if you still don't think it's true, there is nothing more I can say to you. And as for information from the study, if it was incriminating, you would just assume it was planted.

YouTube - The Kinsey Syndrome 5/17
 
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:sigh: man the more things change, the more they stay the same. We've been pointing out the errors and out right lies in this stuff for over 30 years now. And every couple of years someone else starts trotting out the same junk all over again. :(
tulc(waiting for the Jack Chick tracts to be posted as proof) ;)
 
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Crowley, like Anton Szandor LaVey after him, was generally a showman and hardly anything else. He had his "fifteen minutes of fame" by angering the establishment and reveled in it. He was about as much a dangerous man as Bob Dylan was an opera singer.
 
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Maybe I've been living under a rock, but believe it or not until recently, I hadn't even heard of this guy. I was doing some research on the New Age Movement and suddenly this guys name came up. I looked into him and suddenly I was overwhelmed with information that shocked and disgusted me. In case some of you don't know who this monster is, I will summarize.

Aleister Crowley lived during the early 1900s and died in the late 1940s. He was deeply into the Occult and his hatred towards the Christian church brought on by his father's death, lead him to change his name in order to make it add up to 666. He referred to himself as "The Beast 666" and performed many satanic rituals to communicate with not only Spirits but Satan himself. He claimed that he not only wanted to worship Satan, he wanted to become his "Chief of Staff". On his honeymoon, he took his wife to Egypt and performed a satanic ritual in the Kings chamber of the Great Pyramid. After the ritual, his wife went into a trance and told him that an Egyption god (I believe it was Horus) was waiting for him back at their hotel room. When they returned to the hotel, Crowley went into a trance and began writing what he called "The Book of the Law" The first line in the book was "Do As Thou Wilst. This is the Whole of the Law"

I stopped you right there because this is now known as The Humanist Manifesto.

Or in secular political power structures: Liberal or Progressive.

I whole new movement has picked up and expounded on Crowley's worldview.
 
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I stopped you right there because this is now known as The Humanist Manifesto.

Or in secular political power structures: Liberal or Progressive.

I whole new movement has picked up and expounded on Crowley's worldview.


Hmmmm with a few changes that sounds pretty much what the Republicans believe:
"Do As Rush Says. This is the Whole of the Law"
tulc(just sayn') :sorry:
 
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I stopped you right there because this is now known as The Humanist Manifesto.

Or in secular political power structures: Liberal or Progressive.

I whole new movement has picked up and expounded on Crowley's worldview.

Actually Crowley advocated selfishness and indulgence, or, the conservative worldview: "I've got mine, and if you don't, too bad for you."
 
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What does Jay Z have marked on his Jersey?

"Do as thou wilt"

He is a follower of Aleister Crowley. I have videos i can show with proof.

Proof of what, that it's on his shirt?

Are you sure you don't mean 50 cent? He's a follower of the guy who wrote The 48 Laws of Power a Crowleyesque, Reaganesque recipe for achievement by dominating others.
 
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Proof of what, that it's on his shirt?

Are you sure you don't mean 50 cent? He's a follower of the guy who wrote The 48 Laws of Power a Crowleyesque, Reaganesque recipe for achievement by dominating others.

No I mean proof that Jay Z is a follower of the beliefs of Crowley. He has occult symbolisms all over in his videos and his friend kanye west a few months ago said on stage that he sold his soul to the devil.

The point is that Crowley's cult is not just something of the early 1900's but its made its way deep in the music industry and many people who we may not expect to be involved are. Therefore it is a very serious issue because it will affect us if things go their way.
 
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What does Jay Z have marked on his Jersey?

"Do as thou wilt"

He is a follower of Aleister Crowley. I have videos i can show with proof.

hmmm...so anyone with a Nike on their shirt worship a Greek goddess of victory? The trouble is? I suspect all you can show is him wearing a shirt. :wave:
tulc(who's seen video "proof" George Bush was a devil worshiper because he followed a team nicknamed the longhorns) :sorry:
 
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hmmm...so anyone with a Nike on their shirt worship a Greek goddess of victory? The trouble is? I suspect all you can show is him wearing a shirt. :wave:
tulc(who's seen video "proof" George Bush was a devil worshiper because he followed a team nicknamed the longhorns) :sorry:

No Tulc. I mean substantial proof. If you look at a few Jay Z videos such as "Run this town" or "On to th next one", you will find allot of strange things that have nothing to do with the song itself whatsoever. When the video is analysed it shows that many of these videos actually show ceremonies that are done in freemasony when one moves up the ranks as Jayz has.
 
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No Tulc. I mean substantial proof. If you look at a few Jay Z videos such as "Run this town" or "On to th next one", you will find allot of strange things that have nothing to do with the song itself whatsoever. When the video is analysed it shows that many of these videos actually show ceremonies that are done in freemasony when one moves up the ranks as Jayz has.

Confirmation bias. You believe JayZ is a Freemason, so when you view videos of his performances, you find things that confirm your belief.
 
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