Alcohol

[xenomur]

Hello,

I wonder that if the drink alcohol is sin or not ? Is there a limit for drinking alcohol ? What is your comments ? I mean drinking alcohol not being drunk.

Blessings...

 

[LoisGriffin]

Hi

The limit is usually getting drunk. Some churches encourage its members not to drink but most are fine with it (as long as you don't get drunk).

For some people any amount of alcohol can cause a problem and those people choose to avoid it. We all have different convictions.

 

[xenomur]

Hi

The limit is usually getting drunk. Some churches encourage its members not to drink but most are fine with it (as long as you don't get drunk).

For some people any amount of alcohol can cause a problem and those people choose to avoid it. We all have different convictions.

If the limit is usually getting drunk, I can drink four beers. If i drink five bears, i can be getting drunk. I am not adicted to alcohol. But sometimes i drink two bears. However I really wonder that if it is really bad thing or not. By the way, i agree you about getting drunk. Getting drunk is bad thing and it is a sin.

Thank you...

 

[suzybeezy]

I think its perfectly fine to have a drink as long as its in moderation.
Eph 5:18--"And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit."


Consider that others are watching our example. What example are we setting? 1 Thessalonians 5:22 warns us, “Abstain from all appearance of evil”.

 

[OnMyWaytoFreedom]

Consider that Jesus also drank wine. Of course he didn't get drunk. His first miracle was turning water into wine, in which the people were amazed that he saved the 'best' wine for last (more aged wine, also meaning more fermented). Suzybeezy also has a point. Don't let it stumble your brother. The same way that if you have someone in your house who thinks that all things on tv are evil, then don't turn on the tv while they are there.

In 1 Timothy, the apostle Paul also advised Timothy to start drinking wine instead of water due to the illnesses that Timothy was suffering while ministering in Ephesus. In this context, wine was good, because it did not have the bacteria that bad water collected, and the alcohol would help ease his pain. 1 Timothy 5:23, "23Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities." (KJV).

A lot of the issue with drinking is not the drink itself, but our own self control, as well as how much importance we put on it. Are you constantly thinking at the end of your day, "I can't wait to get home so that I can have a few beers."? If this is the case, you may want to take a look at how high a priority drinking really is in your life. This is where it can start becoming sinful nature. Believe me, I know this well from past experience.

 

[Elijah2]

Hello,

I wonder that if the drink alcohol is sin or not ? Is there a limit for drinking alcohol ? What is your comments ? I mean drinking alcohol not being drunk.

Blessings...

Hi mate, when it comes down to commonsense, why would you want to drink alcohol that is only designed for one thing, to stimulate a false sense of well-being, when the Holy Spirit is the only spirit you need for such.

The Bible is silent on many things, particularly those things of the modern world, that are poison and causes more problems than anything.

The Bible doesn't say anything about not taking heroin, or taking ice, or any form of drugs either, or any addictive habit.

Most churches don't preach of drinking alcohol because only commonsense will tell you that alcohol is only produced for one thing to make a lot of money, and to make you want to drink more.

Now it's alright for those who say they are "social drinker", and they have a few drinks, and they feel really good and warm and free inside. Now that is what the HOLY SPIRIT is suppose to do. NOT some worldly spirit of alcohol.

Drunkardness is a sin. So why drink something that is only designed to cause drunkardness. There are more deaths and sin through alcohol than anything.

This is where commonsense is used.

I can talk from personal experience of a person who thought they were just a social drinker, when in fact I were an alcoholic, such as many Christians who believe that it's okay to drink alcohol.

Alcohol is designed by the powers of darkness. If you want to drink, then drink non-alcoholic drinks or water, like most other 80% Christians do.

Your choice and your decision, but don't allow the liberalised thinking of some Christians that may make you fall.

My advice to you is to DON'T DRINK ALCOHOL.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[sjdean]

I hate these discussions on Alcohol. I don't actually understand the problem with alcohol and prefer the Quaker ideology on it in which we are responsible for our own actions.

The problem I see is one of societys. Society doesn't take responsibility for it's alcohol misuse and abuse. We equate other kinds of abuse with alcohol. It's possible to have a drink and not go off the rails. It's possible to drink a lot and not go off the rails.

But it really has to be for me, up to the inidividual to decide and only blame themselves and not alcohol for any consequences through their own actions.

I realise it's a very emotive subject, but I don't see the problem with moderate responsible use (and those are two key words there).

Cya
Simon

 

[Mack7]

Greetings and May God bless all who read. Yes this is a topic which can go in multiple directions and yes, I do agree that it is up to the individual. There are many topics concerning stong drink in the Bible as well as wine. As we grow with grace and understanding in God, we find as with a lot of things there are good and bad choices. Some foods we eat are not good for us, some things we drink, some things we listen too, some things we see, some things we do. If we seek first the Kingdom of God, God's Holy Spirit will guide us in what is right for US or not. Jesus said it best as written in Mark 7:18-23, "And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man." Amen. From the mouth of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

But we are warned. As it is also written in Proverbs 20:1, "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." Amen? Further warnings are found as written in Isaiah 5:21-22, "Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink: Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him." But we also read as written in Proverbs 31:6-7, "Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more." According to the scriptures, it has its place, Amen?

We must always be on guard. Trust in only God's judgement concerning anything for your lives. Let the Holy Ghost lead you by constantly praying to God for help and direction. The Lord is just in His ways to answer our calls and concerns. As we read, study and grow, we can learn that drinking is not condemned but there are certainly strong warnings guarding against its abuse. Do we light a stick of dynamite and then forget to toss it? Pray to understand and know your limitations in all things. May God bless us all. Be careful, take heed and keep praying for one another. God will help us get things right. Amen.

 

[sjdean]

I read with interest what you say towards the foot of your post "drinking is not condemned but there are certainly strong warnings against its abuse".

It always strikes me as odd how in some religions, that a God can ban alcohol, but not ban a knife. For me personally, neither should be banned, but responsible use should be promoted with tolerance and understanding and support for those who are perhaps weaker.

Im not fully aware on all the scripture obviously, but I then start thinking about issues of freewill and being meek and mild and I have no idea where Im going with this, other than it seems to me God is one of those beings that ultimately wants us to make choices for ourself, take responsibility for our own misdeeds... Prohibition doesn't seem like a choice, and the way society blames alcohol instead of the abusers isn't a way of taking responsibility.

It really quite annoys me how people are so keen to link an abusive act to what is, really, an inanimate object.

 

[Sketcher]

I mean drinking alcohol not being drunk.

Not unless you're underage (Romans 13:1-2) or with an alcoholic (Romans 14:20).

 

[Mack7]

Greetings and God bless. I am merely a praying, believing child of God searching for the truth in all things. In God, I know by faith that, all things are possible. Amen. I follow God's written word because instinctively I know I am one of His beloved children. God has told me so. This is not meant to be a boast. Just "blind" faith. I do not question my belief. I just know that God is who He say He is and that is that.

I have to be a part of God to believe in Him and so applies to every one of God's children. I seek to be closer to my Heavenly Father and this is what He is speaking to me. For it it written in Hebrews 3:14, "For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;" Amen? Eternal life with God is not to be taken for granted. Through God's love and mercy for us, we should actually be striving to please our Heavenly Father in all things.

God should be our first priority. Before drinking, eating, whatever. We have to beware of taking God's grace for granted in everything that we do as it is also written in Hebrews 4:1, "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." Amen? As children of God, we really have to pray hard for one another. That God's will is accomplished through all of our lives.

It is possible, or Jesus would not have said it. Everything evolves around our Heavenly Father no matter what anyone preaches, as it is written in Hebrews again in 3:4, "For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God." Amen. We only have to answer to God and to God only. Amen and God bless.

 

[Criada]

Jesus drank alcohol.. and at the last supper commanded us to do so..
If someone has a problem with it, they should avoid it.. and drunkeness is bad, because it is a loss of control, and therefore a loss of submission to God.
But alcohol itself was created by God, and enjoyed by Jesus

 

[Elijah2]

Jesus drank alcohol.. and at the last supper commanded us to do so..
If someone has a problem with it, they should avoid it.. and drunkeness is bad, because it is a loss of control, and therefore a loss of submission to God.
But alcohol itself was created by God, and enjoyed by Jesus

Alcohol in Jesus' time, is totally different to the greed and dark intentions of the producers of alchohol today.

Wine produced in Jesus' time was for normal consumption and rituals, as fluid intake because of the lack of water, and for blessings. Grapes was a good source moisture and vitamins, and was also a tonic and for killing bugs in drinking water when it was available.

Today, alchohol is available in many forms and at different levels of strength, with only one intention to make lots of money for the shareholders, and enticement to get does who indulge to get drunk, and to drink more then they make more money, and causes more sin than most activities.

Alcohol today, kills more people, destroys more lives, destroys marriages and families. That wasn't so in Jesus' time!

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[Elijah2]

I read with interest what you say towards the foot of your post "drinking is not condemned but there are certainly strong warnings against its abuse".

It always strikes me as odd how in some religions, that a God can ban alcohol, but not ban a knife. For me personally, neither should be banned, but responsible use should be promoted with tolerance and understanding and support for those who are perhaps weaker.

Im not fully aware on all the scripture obviously, but I then start thinking about issues of freewill and being meek and mild and I have no idea where Im going with this, other than it seems to me God is one of those beings that ultimately wants us to make choices for ourself, take responsibility for our own misdeeds... Prohibition doesn't seem like a choice, and the way society blames alcohol instead of the abusers isn't a way of taking responsibility.

It really quite annoys me how people are so keen to link an abusive act to what is, really, an inanimate object.

Mmmm, I guess you've never been involved with alcoholics?

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

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[sjdean]

Now this is really difficult for me, I presume a Moderator has seen this and if there's an interesting topic that we jump into a couple of posts late, we can't respond to one of the points in the latter post for a little clarification. Umm, ahh, that's a bit weird if you don't mind me saying so.

Where's the best place to move the discussion to, because I'd really like respond to Elijah - not in a debating or argumentative way. What can I do in that situation?

Cya
Simon

 

[godsmacked]

Hello,

I wonder that if the drink alcohol is sin or not ? Is there a limit for drinking alcohol ? What is your comments ? I mean drinking alcohol not being drunk.

Blessings...

I think its been pretty well been explained, the sin aspect.

Personally, GOD made it pretty clear to me that he didn't appreciate being worshiped when i had a buzz and ultimately i have just quit drinking other then a beer once in a while........i don't let the alcohol separate me from him as i think about him all the time. i need all the help i can get.

 

[heymikey80]

There are good uses for alcohol.

None of those good uses for alcohol extends to overuse (drunkenness). Nor do any of those good uses actually establish an attitude change from one that is already felt, appropriate, and useful.

Look, Christianity is not about laws and where the line is. Christianity is about the Spirit, and where your heart is. You won't find a limit-line in the Scripture because the limit-line is not in quantity of drink, but in the intent of the heart. If you're drinking to get away from the truth, or reality, or yourself, or your own wrong inhibitions even -- that's misuse and thus abuse of drink. (This last is wrong in terms of "doing wrong so that good may come".)

 

[Sumone]

Alcohol in Jesus' time, is totally different to the greed and dark intentions of the producers of alchohol today.

Wine produced in Jesus' time was for normal consumption and rituals, as fluid intake because of the lack of water, and for blessings. Grapes was a good source moisture and vitamins, and was also a tonic and for killing bugs in drinking water when it was available.

Today, alchohol is available in many forms and at different levels of strength, with only one intention to make lots of money for the shareholders, and enticement to get does who indulge to get drunk, and to drink more then they make more money, and causes more sin than most activities.

Alcohol today, kills more people, destroys more lives, destroys marriages and families. That wasn't so in Jesus' time!

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

Very good reply for the OP & for me. Alcohol brings upon bad things, not so much good ones. It seems its easy to confuse Jesus drinking wine with getting obliterated nowadays. Thanks for the realization! I dont drink that much & maybe will consider picking up some wine for occasions. I bet the "guys" will give me a hard time for that lol.

 

[Elijah2]

Very good reply for the OP & for me. Alcohol brings upon bad things, not so much good ones. It seems its easy to confuse Jesus drinking wine with getting obliterated nowadays. Thanks for the realization! I dont drink that much & maybe will consider picking up some wine for occasions. I bet the "guys" will give me a hard time for that lol.

If only---if only those who freelance "social drinking" have read 1 Corinthians 8:9, "But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak".

Be blessed in Jesus' name.