what do people think about albert? there are alot of misconceptions as to whether or not he was a christian...... well he wasn't and he hated the christian belief. this was because he had such a high respect for the universe and how it was made that he couldn't see how christians could be so shallow in thier faith. he was a genius and many of his outlooks on life were cool. so again, what do you guys think about him?
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I don't see any evidience to back up your claim that he "hated the christian beleif."zao77 said:
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Oh, is that his autrobiography? Can you refer me to a direct quote then and a page number where he says, "I hate the christian religion"?zao77 said:
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I believe Einstein was Jewish, so I doubt he would completly agree with christianity to begin with.
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Eh he went the same way as Feynman. As his knowledge of physics increased he lost faith.Arikay said:
It was one of the reasons that he and Godel made such good friends. They had such starkly different outlooks on the universe.
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I always thought his big motivation was, "God does not play dice with the Universe".
But one of my favorite quotes was: "Zha deeference betveen GENUS, und STOOPID, ees GENIUS, hass LEEMITS...
But one of my favorite quotes was: "Zha deeference betveen GENUS, und STOOPID, ees GENIUS, hass LEEMITS...
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Namaste all,
here's a few quotes that may be on topic...
Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural & spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity
Physical concepts are free creations of the human mind, and are not, however it may seem, uniquely determined by the external world.
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All such notions as causation, succession, atoms, primary elements...are all figments of the imagination and manifestations of the mind.
here's a few quotes that may be on topic...
Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural & spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity
Physical concepts are free creations of the human mind, and are not, however it may seem, uniquely determined by the external world.
-Einstein
All such notions as causation, succession, atoms, primary elements...are all figments of the imagination and manifestations of the mind.
[size=-1]-Buddha[/size]
In our thinking...we attribute to this concept of the bodily object a significance, which is to high degree independent of the sense impression which originally gives rise to it. This is what we mean when we attribute to the bodily object "a real existence." ...By means of such concepts and mental relations between them, we are able to orient ourselves in the labyrinth of sense impressions. These notions and relations...appear to us as stronger and more unalterable than the individual sense experience itself, the character of which as anything other than the result of an illusion or hallucination is never completely guaranteed.
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I teach that the multitudinousness of objects have no reality in themselves but are only seen of the mind and, therefore, are of the nature of maya and a dream. ...It is true that in one sense they are seen and discriminated by the senses as individualized objects; but in another sense, because of the absence of any characteristic marks of self-nature, they are not seen but are only imagined. In one sense they are graspable, but in another sense, they are not graspable.
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from Einstein and Buddha, The Parallel Sayings
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tcampen
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Einstein most certainly was NOT a christian, but I don't think he really "hated" the faith either. More, he disagreed with the idea of a personal god. Einstein refered to god as more of the totality of all existence. So when he said "god does not play dice" we was referring more to the laws of physics as he understood them, rather than the actions of a personal god with our natural world.
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Contrary to popular Christian propaganda the world is not divided into Christians and people who hate Christians. The vast majority of non-Christians belong to the third group, those who believe differently. Believeing differently is not the same as being a Christian hater, although most non-Christians do become occasdionally annoyed at the Christian false witness that portrays them as such.
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my opinion didn't come out the way i wanted it to..... what i really wanted to say is that albert wasn't particular to the christian faith. not to say that he hated the christians themselves. he did however believed that there was a superior being that created the world, though he didn't feal that humanity should be limited to many of the restrictions of the christian faith.
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeeded be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeeded be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."
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Read about his friendship and discussions with Godel. You will see that he was a complete atheist (though not without some personal spirituality). After reading much about that, I feel confident in saying that that 'superior spirit' is a metaphorical way of referring to the laws that bind our universe.
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LOL. Again with spreading of rumors? This is not "christian propaganda". I, in fact, asked him to prove that claim, which I think is false. So put away your prejustice for a few minutes will you.Havoc said:
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Would you like a selection of hundreds of quotations from religious leaders detailing how "he who is not for us is against us" or "the world hates us because we tell the truth" or "we should rejoice because all manner of men hate us"? Or just a couple hundred from this forum alone?Outspoken said:
Is anyone else here unaware of this attitude in fundamentalist Christians?
The prejudice is rampant here, yes, but you're talking to the wrong guy.
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LOL, stop trying to cover up your prejudice. You read the OP assumed it was a christian saying that albert hates christians and didn't read any post after that, else you would have seen me object to that thought. You are being prejudiced, and that's the simple fact.Havoc said:
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So you not only know what I think, now you also now where I begin and stop reading posts? I thought mind reading was of Satan. ROFLMAO
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the_malevolent_milk_man
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Interesting quotes Vjara. I always find myself agreeing with Buddha on philosophical matters, nice to see that Einstein thought somewhat like him as well.
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Really? then how did you know the following..Outspoken said:
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I was under the impression that "assuming" was a thought process rather than an observable action. I'm also curious how you observed which posts I read and didn't read. Do you have a camera hidden in my house? If so it's faulty since I did read all the posts. Maybe you should send it out for repairs. If you'd care to tell me where it's hidden I'd be happy to make the arrangements.
Amusements aside the real fact is you didn't call me on my actions because you don't know what my actions were. Just like you don't know what my thoughts were, even though you claimed to, and you don't know which posts I read, even though you claimed to.
If you claim to know something when you really don't, isn't that called lieing? When you claim to hav seen something someone did but really saw nothing at all, isn't that false witness? If you are judgeing someone based on information you claim to have but don't, isn't that prejudice?
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?
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