Al-lah lied?

[Montalban]

i want to say...

that god never never lie..

Al-lah isn't god. For you to believe he is, you'd have to ask why he continually sent prophets to the tribes of Israel, some how fulfilling a promise to generations after Abraham, and the covenant to him through Isaac, culminating in Jesus Christ, who even the Koran calls "Christ" (because Muhammed didn't understand the full implications of this when he wrote the Koran. Then after hundreds of years, whamo! you believe al-lah gave up on the Jews and went to the arabs. He decieved the Jews because he promised them that he'd send the Messiah to the House of David.

how can you say that about the one that created you....and you are a slave foe him...all of us are slaves foe him..

I am no slave to al-lah. Al-lah is false.

and i want to say..
ismael is a prophet......if you beleive that that is for your own good ..and if you don't thats your problem.....that you shoud really work to solve it.......

i can't understand that sending a prophet to the arabs make a huge problem for you....

i don't know why....but i feel that you are trying to find any thing to say that islam is wrong >>>which is a very huge lie.....

The huge lie is to believe that God promised the Jews a Messiah, the Christ, and then changed his mind, looked around for a people who had no prophets, and gave them one who was not only a poor example of humanity (who had sex with a child, ordered political killings, saught out even a cousin's wife, oversaw the killing of defenceless people, etc).

 

[morningstar2651]

Yet you alone feel that you have the right to criticse Christianity and Islam, (you claim that you do so equally, but I've asked you three times already where you have done so, of Islam).

I criticize hypocrisy. I don't see muslims making threads flaming Christianity, therefore I do not criticize them.

 

[Montalban]

I criticize hypocrisy. I don't see muslims making threads flaming Christianity, therefore I do not criticize them.

Earlier you said that you do criticise them. I asked you three times where you did, and you never answered, now you say you don't. What does that make you?

How is it hypocrisy to criticise Islam? You don't know the meaning of it.

You don't see Muslims being anti-Christian, and anti-Hindu because you are anti-Christian. You are so against anti-Christian that you are prepared to allow Muslim evil practices go unchallenged (see above re: your commenting on them, then NOT). Many Hindus too have had to defend their beliefs against them on this thread.

One Muslim railed about the 'evils of the Crusades' but then claimed that their own war over Spain had been totally bloodless! (Another poster claims that Muhammed's war on Mecca had also been bloodless). You allow that to pass. If I raise it as an issue, though, you don't find an issue with these blatant falsehoods, you have an issue with a Christian mentioning it.

But, you don't see it!

 

[morningstar2651]

Earlier you said that you do criticise them. I asked you three times where you did, and you never answered, now you say you don't. What does that make you?

How is it hypocrisy to criticise Islam? You don't know the meaning of it.

You don't see Muslims being anti-Christian, and anti-Hindu because you are anti-Christian. You are so against anti-Christian that you are prepared to allow Muslim evil practices go unchallenged (see above re: your commenting on them, then NOT). Many Hindus too have had to defend their beliefs against them on this thread.

One Muslim railed about the 'evils of the Crusades' but then claimed that their own war over Spain had been totally bloodless! (Another poster claims that Muhammed's war on Mecca had also been bloodless). You allow that to pass. If I raise it as an issue, though, you don't find an issue with these blatant falsehoods, you have an issue with a Christian mentioning it.

But, you don't see it!

Where did I say this? I believe you are misquoting me.

 

[Montalban]

Where did I say this? I believe you are misquoting me.

Recall also that I suggested you start your own thread about alleged Bible contradictions after you raised the issue about Adam not dying.

I explained Adam did die, to God (through sin)

Instead you just repeated the same allegation much later.

You're not about flaming Christianity are you?

 

[saiful-Islam-Khattab]

What do you think is the issue of deception here?

You are the one Calling Allah a liar, you tell me from your own scriprtures did the GOd of the bbile deceive Abraham why do you not answer. Why do you pass the buck then.

 

[love islam]

Al-lah isn't god. For you to believe he is, you'd have to ask why he continually sent prophets to the tribes of Israel, some how fulfilling a promise to generations after Abraham, and the covenant to him through Isaac, culminating in Jesus Christ, who even the Koran calls "Christ" (because Muhammed didn't understand the full implications of this when he wrote the Koran. Then after hundreds of years, whamo! you believe al-lah gave up on the Jews and went to the arabs. He decieved the Jews because he promised them that he'd send the Messiah to the House of David.

I am no slave to al-lah. Al-lah is false.

The huge lie is to believe that God promised the Jews a Messiah, the Christ, and then changed his mind, looked around for a people who had no prophets, and gave them one who was not only a poor example of humanity (who had sex with a child, ordered political killings, saught out even a cousin's wife, oversaw the killing of defenceless people, etc).

can you tell me please who is the POOR EXAMPLE OF HUMANITY????????

 

[love islam]

Earlier you said that you do criticise them. I asked you three times where you did, and you never answered, now you say you don't. What does that make you?

How is it hypocrisy to criticise Islam? You don't know the meaning of it.

You don't see Muslims being anti-Christian, and anti-Hindu because you are anti-Christian. You are so against anti-Christian that you are prepared to allow Muslim evil practices go unchallenged (see above re: your commenting on them, then NOT). Many Hindus too have had to defend their beliefs against them on this thread.

One Muslim railed about the 'evils of the Crusades' but then claimed that their own war over Spain had been totally bloodless! (Another poster claims that Muhammed's war on Mecca had also been bloodless). You allow that to pass. If I raise it as an issue, though, you don't find an issue with these blatant falsehoods, you have an issue with a Christian mentioning it.

But, you don't see it!

and you thing that you know the meaning of islam....???

you read on the net some of the non muslims peaple writting stuffs on the net about us...and you just believed it.......

 

[Montalban]

You are the one Calling Allah a liar, you tell me from your own scriprtures did the GOd of the bbile deceive Abraham why do you not answer. Why do you pass the buck then.

I told you already that God was not a liar; by the terms of the Bible.

He gave Abraham a promise, He made promises to the Jews, and these were met by the advent of Jesus Christ.

It is you have the problem of tyring to add-on Islam to a promise already kept.

 

[Montalban]

can you tell me please who is the POOR EXAMPLE OF HUMANITY????????

There are so many, and I already mentioned several briefly in the post you responded to.

i) Murder and violence
He over-saw the muder of 900 men of the Banu Qurayzah tribe.
He congratulated people who murdered/persecuted his personal enemies:
Ka`b bin al-Ashraf

Sallam Ibn Abu'l-Huqayq (Abu Rafi)

Al-Nadr bin al-Harith

`Uqba bin Abi Mu`ayt

`Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul al-`Aufi

Umaiya bin Khalaf Abi Safwan

`Amr b. Jihash

An anonymous man

Ibn Sunayna

Abd Allah Ibn Sa`d Ibn Abi Sarh

Abu `Afak

`Asma' Bint Marwan



The Meccan Ten:

Ikrimah Ibn Abi Jahl

Habbar Ibn al-Aswad

Miqyas Ibn Sababah al-Laythi

Abd Allah Ibn Sa`d Ibn Abi Sarh (more detail in the above article)

Al-Huwayrith Ibn Nuqaydh

Abd Abbah Ibn Hilal Ibn Khatal al-Adrami

Hind Bint Utbah

Sarah the mawlat of `Amr Ibn Hashim

Fartana

Qaribah



Al-Yusayr b. Rizam and Khalid b. Sufyan b. Nubayh

Ibn Sunayna

http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Enemies/index.html


ii) Sexual crimes
a) he forced himself on a child; Aisha (the fact that this had a 'legal' sanction DOES NOT make it moral)
b) likewise he 'married' a woman who was a member of the Banu Qurayzah tribe, just after she'd been forced to watch her kinfolk massacred.

 

[Montalban]

and you thing that you know the meaning of islam....???

you read on the net some of the non muslims peaple writting stuffs on the net about us...and you just believed it.......

You've made this a statment about my debating style, in general, not specifically to the subject at hand, so I feel I can reply..

Ah, don't you love a straw-man. When I post I often post stuff from ISLAMIC SITES.

But let's ignore that.

 

[Montalban]

listen.............
our prophet was the best example of the humanity that you can ever hear about..
he is the best...
you say sexual crimes????
what kind of liars you are???????
do you immagine that you are talking about a prophet.....the teacher ..the best human ...
did you say forced him self on a child?????
please ....

She was nine years old. She was a child. There's no evidence at all that she'd even reached puberty
From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
"Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""
Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
"Narrated Urwa: "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""
Bukhari vol. 5, #234 says:
"Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."
FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH MUSLIM VOLUME 2, #3309
Aisha reported: Allah's Messenger married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine".
FROM THE HADITH OF THE SUNAN OF ABU DAWUD
(Abu Dawud's Hadith is the third most respected Hadith in Islam.)
From Abu Dawud, Vol. 2, #2116:
"Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old."

 

[Montalban]

listen.............
please ....
bano qurayza tribe was a gews tribe and they cheated muslims in spite that they lived under the pretiction of the islamic army....
Umaiya bin Khalaf Abi Safwan was an enemy for islam and he tortured the poor muslims......and he has been kelt in a war..


if you know our prophet mohammed p.b.u.h you can't hate him................there is no way to hate him

They were indeed Jews. They'd been allies of Muhammed and without them, he'd never have won. And when he didn't need them anymore, they were destroyed.

Primary Sources...
"And He has caused to descend from their strongholds the Jews that assisted them. And he struck terror into their hearts. Some you slaughtered and some you took prisoner"
Sura 32.25

"Bani An-Nadir and Bani Quraiza fought, so the Prophet (Muhammad) exiled Bani An-Nadir and allowed Bani Quraiza to remain at their places. He then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims, but some of them came to the Prophet and he granted them safety, and they embraced Islam. He exiled all the Jews from Medina. They were the Jews of Bani Qainuqa', the tribe of 'Abdullah bin Salam and the Jews of Bani Haritha and all the other Jews of Medina."
(Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 5:59:362)

Surah Muhammad
47.4 So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost,
http://www.quraan.com/index.aspx?ta...tabid=27&bid=47

Secondary source for the killing of PoWs
"The members of the last surviving Jewish tribe in Medinah, Banu Qurayzah, were even less fortunate. Muhammad offered the men conversion to Islam as an alternative to death; upon their refusal, all 900 were decapitated in front of their enslaved women and children. The women were subsequently raped; Muhammad chose as his concubine one Raihana Bint Amr, whose father and husband were both slaughtered before her eyes only hours earlier."
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/Chronicles/February1999/0299Trifkovic.htm

 

[mswasiah]

Ah!! Praise be to God. I have new more new friends Farid who claims that Allah is the "true moon god", my friend how many gods do you worship? You have to believe in a "moon god" to call Allah that. Praise be to God, far is He above the partners you ascribe to Him!!!! Montalban who said "Allah lied" and that Muslims recognize 25 prophets, I recognize over 144,000 prophets and messengers that Allah sent to mankind over the years, decades.....you meant to say that 25 are mentioned in the Quran, are they not the same ones from the bible? Whow!!! if the Quran is written by Satan then thus is the bible because both have the same message although the Quran reaffirms that there is ONLY ONE GOD. I think my buddy airran1 maybe Jewish and I think stated that Mohammad(saws) was not a prophet. Yawh(Allah, God, to whom belongs the most beautiful names), the many of the Jews of old rejected faith saying that "Yawh hands were tied up" & "Yawh was dead" God promise is not for those who reject faith and thats why many Jews under went many trials from God. Many of the Jews rejected the prophets of God and killed many but there were many who believed. Many Jews of old lead men from the path of Allah and sold His Signs for a cheap price, as we see today, Christians mostly sellings the Signs and messages of God for a miserable price. Allahu Akbar means "God is Great", God is greater than all right? Or, are you greater than God Farid? Anything other than Christianity is a lie DiscipleforChrist???? Christians can't even example the trinity. Wait, we need to pray...."Our Lord, save us from those you ascribe partners to You in Your Greatness. Our Lord, far above You from what they ascribe to You. Forgive us our sins and guide us on a path the is straight....Ameen."
On writer mentioned that she worships ONE GOD...the Father, the Son, & the Holy Spirit. Love I worship ONE GOD, the Father who has no sons, daughters, or partners, far above God from what you ascribe to Him. Was God married? Whats up with God getting Mary pregnant and they were not married but calling us sinful when we have pre-maritial sex? Glory be to God, far is He above what you all ascribe to Him. The Christians feel the Muslims are wrong for no other reason than that we will not ascribe Jesus (peace be upon him) to God in His Perfection. God created the earth and the heavens alone, why does He need anyone to help Him? So do you say the Tsunami came from God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit? Or do you call it "Mother Nature"? Glory to God....far is He above all that is ascribed to Him. Who drowned Pharoah and his followers in the sea? The Father, Son, or Holy Spirit? Oh, there was no son then. So who did Abraham pray to? The Father, son, or Holy spirit? There was no son then either? Well who was Jesus praying to? Why was Jesus praying? Jesus was god right, why was he praying? Christians believe Jesus died on the cross, Jesus was god why didn't he get off that cross? Why was Jesus praying? Why was Jesus born of woman like me? Why did Jesus eat like me? Why was Jesus thristy? Why is there pictures of Jesus? Why would god reveal himself to the human eye? Does God not have any power that He let an innocent man die on the cross? Why couldn't God forgive mankind through there repentance? Why must man repent now if Jesus died for our sins? If Jesus died for our sins, how do we sin? Why does Satan whisper whenever someone says there is ONLY ONE GOD? Why did Jesus die? How can God die? Why do Christians worship Jesus as a saviour and Lord when he prayed, ate, and died just like us? Glory be to God, far is He above all that is ascribed to Him. Why did God speak to Moses through a burning bush but reveal himself to the human eye as Jesus? Why did God send Angels to speak to Abraham the Truest in Faith and then reveal himself to mankind & die on a cross? Why should we worship a God that dies? Why should we worship "the son"? When a father and son are in business together and the son does something wrong why don't we listen to him but rather go over his head to his father? Why does God need helpers? Why do Christians call Jesus supposedly dying on the cross the ultimate gift from God? Is death a bad thing? If Jesus was the son, wouldn't he want to go back with his Father? Why do Christians love the life of this world when the Hereafter is far better? Glory be to God, far is He above what they ascribe to Him. Why do Christians not realize that God has power over all things? Why can't Christians realize God is One? Islam is the ONLY religions that believes God is ONE without partners, isn't it strange that its the most attacked of all religions? More than Satanism? Isn't the devil busy? No post about Satanism but many about the followers of Islam. Why don't people seek refuge with God when Satan tempts them? Why can't people understand that EVERYTHING THAT EVER HAPPEN OR WILL HAPPEN WAS WRITTEN IN INK BY GOD.....the Tsunamis, 9/11, wrecks, death, everthing was already written...can Jesus then change the plan of God? Glory to God, far is He above all that they ascribe to Him.

Praise be to Allah. Our Lord, guide us, grant us peace and comfort. Keep us from associating partners with you. Far are you Our Lord, above what they ascribe to you.

Ms Wasiah
wasiah_tuff@yahoo.com