ain't we all????

[iitb]

Esther was adopted but she knew what tribe.If I am not of Ephraim,tell me what tribe I am in?

Why do you have to have a tribe. HaShem has always accepted the righteous goy, and the Apostles confirmed this in Acts 15(I think that's the chapter ) Why must you claim someone else's birthright?

 

[Flavius]

If g-d brings back the entire house of Israel one day and I being grafted into Israel have an inheritance,where is it? I know I don't have any claims on Judah and you say I have no inheritance in Ephraim,where is it?

 

[Talmidah]

* Pray4Isrel answers Flavius's question hoping no one will argue with her answer.

IMO means "in my opinion"

Ya know, P4I, I take real issue with your post. Maybe I should open a new thread in which to debate the merits of what you've said.

[Talmidah runs away, hoping Justin won't ban her for debating]

 

[Henaynei]

We goyim who follow the laws of Hashem and travel along side Israel are called ger toshav - righteous gentiles/g-dfearers - we are not of any tribe, yet we are of the commonwealth of Israel......

 

[Flavius]

Why do you have to have a tribe. HaShem has always accepted the righteous goy, and the Apostles confirmed this in Acts 15(I think that's the chapter ) Why must you claim someone else's birthright?

Good answer,So what your saying is that I have no inheritance in Israel so I can't call myself an Israelie

That's honest,I can deal with that.I can't claim I am of Judah or Ephraim.

 

[Flavius]

* Pray4Isrel answers Flavius's question hoping no one will argue with her answer.

IMO means "in my opinion"

Thanks,I'm so relieved,I thought it meant,Industrial mouth Open


^ that was meant for a smile

 

[ShirChadash]

We goyim who follow the laws of Hashem and travel along side Israel are called ger toshav - righteous gentiles/g-dfearers - we are not of any tribe, yet we are of the commonwealth of Israel......

YEA! THAT!

 

[ShirChadash]

Thanks,I'm so relieved,I thought it meant,Industrial mouth Open

Actually Flavvy -- it means

I'm










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Obnoxious!!!!!!!!

 

[Flavius]

We goyim who follow the laws of Hashem and travel along side Israel are called ger toshav - righteous gentiles/g-dfearers - we are not of any tribe, yet we are of the commonwealth of Israel......

Somehow that's just not good enough for me,If I have no right of return and no inheritance in Israel then All I got is the name.If I don't have any rights at all then wouldn't it be the same truth that I have no place in the future heavenly inheritance to be called Jerusalem. What gate would I go through to enter the city of Revelations?

Isaiah tells me I do have an inheritance,Is that just a name?

 

[ShirChadash]

Henny -- would you share what it means to be of the commonwealth of Israel?

 

[Flavius]

Actually Flavvy -- it means

I'm










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Obnoxious!!!!!!!!

I like when people call me Flavvy,makes me think I'm making friends

 

[P_G]

We goyim who follow the laws of Hashem and travel along side Israel are called ger toshav - righteous gentiles/g-dfearers - we are not of any tribe, yet we are of the commonwealth of Israel......

Exactly how my Chassidic friends refer to me.

And know what it always makes me smile when they do!
They don't know just exactly what a messianic gentile is
But they know I keep the law (best I can which aint good at all)

I shall never be a Jew but I have been adopted into G-ds family
He shall recognize me as one of his own on the last day.

And what He chooses to call me -Y'sreal - Ephriam - He'You
Will be ok with me.
I do not see how a gentile who proclaims Y'shua as messiah could ever convert (this is a question not an attack) but there is lots of room to learn on this.

Excellent points Yafet! We are almost close on this one!
Todah Rabah!

Blessings

PG

 

[Henaynei]

Somehow that's just not good enough for me,If I have no right of return and no inheritance in Israel then All I got is the name.If I don't have any rights at all then wouldn't it be the same truth that I have no place in the future heavenly inheritance to be called Jerusalem. What gate would I go through to enter the city of Revelations?

Isaiah tells me I do have an inheritance,Is that just a name?

There is an temporal covenant that stands for the Jews as long as the earth exists - and there is a salvific covenant.

Why is the temporary earthly covenant so important when you have a permenant salvation covenant, as a gentile, with HaShem? Why do you insist on stressing and claiming the less important and less permenant covenant?

To insist on claiming that which is NOT yours AS yours is coveting &/or stealing and a transgression of Torah.

A benevolent King called two subjects to Him to bless them for their service and devotion to the Crown. To both He gave great gold and gem studded brow bands that gleamed and sparkled. To the one he gave a magnificient ring of solid gold, to the other one of solid diamonds. But the one who had received the gold ring pined and worried saying "Why did He not give ME the diamond ring, THAT ring should have been mine, not his!" Eventually the King heard of the one's displeasure and called him to the throne. "What is this I hear that you are displeased with my gift?" The man with the gold ring could no longer hold himself back, "WHY?" he said, "did you not give ME the diamond ring instead of this inferior gold ring?" A cloud passed over the King's face as He said, "I gave you each equally from my treasures, because of the great love I bear you both." "I had hoped such a bountiful blessing would have brought you great pleasure equal to the great love I bear you. It grieves me that your heart is unsettled and disturbed and that you covet the gift of another. The heart of a man will reflect it's inmost thoughts by it's desire to own that which was given to another."

1Cor 7

18 Was someone already circumcised (a Jew) when he was called? Then he should not try to remove the marks of his circumcision. Was someone uncircumcised (a gentile) when he was called? He shouldn't undergo b'rit-milah (circumcision).
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We are instructed here that it is NOT necessary to become Jews to have a relationship with HaShem - to become a Jew a man must have a ritual circumcision.

19 Being circumcised (Jewish) means nothing (to be sought after), and being uncircumcised (Gentile) means nothing (to be sought after); what does mean something is keeping God's commandments. 20 Each person should remain in the condition he was in when he was called. 21 Were you a slave when you were called? Well, don't let it bother you; although if you can gain your freedom, take advantage of the opportunity. 22 For a person who was a slave when he was called is the Lord's freedman; likewise, someone who was a free man when he was called is a slave of the Messiah. 23 You were bought at a price, so do not become slaves of other human beings. 24 Brothers, let each one remain with God in the condition in which he was called.
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[Flavius]

It also means, Intellectually Mindboggling Opinion.

I'm going to try and tell you people how I believe since I'm letting it all hang out.

What I believe is that Joseph had 2 sons.Mennassah the first born{flesh} and Ephraim{spirit} the second born.

I expect the talking heads to respond to this cause together you guys might change my theoligy.

Mannessah the first born didn't recieve the double portion of blessings being the first born,Ephraim did, the second born.

The first born represents flesh and the second born represents spirit.

This story repeated itself when babylonians and Egyptians were takin by the king of Assyria and placed in the houses that the people of Ephraim and Mannessah built and Ephraim and Mannessah the two main tribes of ephraim were dispersed into the nations in 722 bc.

Now these arabs didn't know the G-d of the land so one priest was brought back and the religion of Ephraim was taught to these Arabs but the religion of Ephraim are the sins of Jereboam who was responsible for the dispersion and punishment of the house of Israel called Ephraim.

I honestly believe that these Arabs who lived in the actual houses that Ephraim built are the second Mannessah by the flesh,They took Ephraims inheritance because they now lived in their houses.But these Arab's who now lived in all the cities of Ephraim were by the flesh,they tried to help Zerubabal build the temple but they weren't accepted because afterall,they weren't of Israel and they had celebrations like unto Judah but different.

When Yeshuah came I believe he called gentiles now to occuppy the northern kingdom of Ephraim,but we have for 2000 years occupied Israel in spirit. The muslims are still there by the flesh and I believe their time has come to an end.

I believe that the Muslims who occuppy Ephraim in this present day were grafted into Israel by the flesh as being Mannessah the first born of the flesh,and that gentile christians are grafted into Ephraim as being the second born of the spirit,and together we make one. What this means is who has rights to the state of Palistine.Musslims believe that they are the owners by proof of being the sons of Abraham wich can actually be argued.My proof of my claim to Palistine is that I'm grafted by the spirit of Ephraim the spirit of the second born and Ephraim will actually occuppy the land one day.

Joseph had two sons who were grafted into the house of Israel

 

[Flavius]

There is an temporal covenant that stands for the Jews as long as the earth exists - and there is a salvific covenant.

Why is the temporary earthly covenant so important when you have a permenant salvation covenant, as a gentile, with HaShem? Why do you insist on stressing and claiming the less important and less permenant covenant?

To insist on claiming that which is NOT yours AS yours is coveting &/or stealing and a transgression of Torah.

A benevolent King called two subjects to Him to bless them for their service and devotion to the Crown. To both He gave great gold and gem studded brow bands that gleamed and sparkled. To the one he gave a magnificient ring of solid gold, to the other one of solid diamonds. But the one who had received the gold ring pined and worried saying "Why did He not give ME the diamond ring, THAT ring should have been mine, not his!" Eventually the King heard of the one's displeasure and called him to the throne. "What is this I hear that you are displeased with my gift?" The man with the gold ring could no longer hold himself back, "WHY?" he said, "did you not give ME the diamond ring instead of this inferior gold ring?" A cloud passed over the King's face as He said, "I gave you each equally from my treasures, because of the great love I bear you both." "I had hoped such a bountiful blessing would have brought you great pleasure equal to the great love I bear you. It grieves me that your heart is unsettled and disturbed and that you covet the gift of another. The heart of a man will reflect it's inmost thoughts by it's desire to own that which was given to another."

1Cor 7

18 Was someone already circumcised (a Jew) when he was called? Then he should not try to remove the marks of his circumcision. Was someone uncircumcised (a gentile) when he was called? He shouldn't undergo b'rit-milah (circumcision).


​

We are instructed here that it is NOT necessary to become Jews to have a relationship with HaShem - to become a Jew a man must have a ritual circumcision.

19 Being circumcised (Jewish) means nothing (to be sought after), and being uncircumcised (Gentile) means nothing (to be sought after); what does mean something is keeping God's commandments. 20 Each person should remain in the condition he was in when he was called. 21 Were you a slave when you were called? Well, don't let it bother you; although if you can gain your freedom, take advantage of the opportunity. 22 For a person who was a slave when he was called is the Lord's freedman; likewise, someone who was a free man when he was called is a slave of the Messiah. 23 You were bought at a price, so do not become slaves of other human beings. 24 Brothers, let each one remain with God in the condition in which he was called.


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The temporary covenant is so important cause it's a shadow of things to come.
I have never looked for treasure on the contrary I chose what brought the opposite.

It might seem to some of you that I want land and blessing but I could care less about those kinda things.My desire is to be accepted by Judah as being a brother and to live in a place where everyone celebrates Sukkot and Pesach and the feast of weeks.You have your Palistinian and you have other religions claiming to be the new Israel in the broadest sense possible.

I just wanna know where I stand,that's all.

If the descendants of ephraim are found one day and they become one with the house of Judah I will celebrate that day.But I don't see that happening.

What I do see is christians becoming messianic and searcching their Jewish roots if they in fact have Jewish roots.I don't guess that none of them actully have Jewish roots cause that wouldd imply them being of Judah.

But something is happening

 

[Henaynei]

what is happening is that G-d is preparing a safe place for the Jews within the body of Messiah when G-d does start to really bring them in in great numbers - right now the numbers of Jews accepting Yeshua is a trickle.

Yesha'yahu 49:22
Adonai ELOHIM answers: "I am beckoning to the goyim (gentiles), raising my banner for the peoples. They will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders."This is what G-d is preparing us to do!!!

 

[rooster]

Whats wrong with being a gentile?

What G-d promised to Isreal will be Isreal's. At the end of days, G-d's judgment will be righteous and fair.

I probably have a very different perpsective from many here since i am ethnically a chinese(although i dun think there are any out there claiming to be spiritually a chinese) and proud of it.
Honestly if i was given a choice whether to be Chinese or Jew i would choose to be chinese all over again.
The thing is, it all falls within G-d's plan. Jews who believe in Yeshua have very different roles from gentiles who believe in the Messiah. There is no haggling over which role one would want to play.
I do not believe G-d called us all to be jews, but he sure called us all to be righteous and holy for that is what He is. As much as the torah is a "legal" documentation of Isreal's inheiritance through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the torah is also a revealling of holy and moral living. I believe we are all called to be holy and righteous first(and obedient), just in our treatment of others and moral in the treatment of ourselves, ethnicity comes much much later.
Belief in the salvific "grace through faith" and recieving the justification thereof is just the very very first step, obediance to G-d's commandment the next, but one must remember that after that one must keep walking.
Do as a jews does, not because it is Jewish, but only if it is G-dly.

i ramble, forgive me

 

[Henaynei]

Well spoken!!

Whats wrong with being a gentile?

What G-d promised to Isreal will be Isreal's. At the end of days, G-d's judgment will be righteous and fair.

I probably have a very different perpsective from many here since i am ethnically a chinese(although i dun think there are any out there claiming to be spiritually a chinese) and proud of it.
Honestly if i was given a choice whether to be Chinese or Jew i would choose to be chinese all over again.
The thing is, it all falls within G-d's plan. Jews who believe in Yeshua have very different roles from gentiles who believe in the Messiah. There is no haggling over which role one would want to play.
I do not believe G-d called us all to be jews, but he sure called us all to be righteous and holy for that is what He is. As much as the torah is a "legal" documentation of Isreal's inheiritance through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the torah is also a revealling of holy and moral living. I believe we are all called to be holy and righteous first(and obedient), just in our treatment of others and moral in the treatment of ourselves, ethnicity comes much much later.
Belief in the salvific "grace through faith" and recieving the justification thereof is just the very very first step, obediance to G-d's commandment the next, but one must remember that after that one must keep walking.
Do as a jews does, not because it is Jewish, but only if it is G-dly.

i ramble, forgive me

 

[visionary]

Bottom line...

God loves you
God called you
God will justify His Actions
God will Glorify His Actions
To God be all the Glory

God will give His People a New Name
This thread should remember it is the New Name that we should all want to be given and to be known by.
For that is the future for the believer in the True God

Controversy is for God to resolve in His good time.
Ours is draw closer to Him who will save us.

 

[rooster]

Well spoken!!