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Great question — Colossians 2:16 is often cited in discussions about whether Christians are still required to keep the Sabbath commandment (the Fourth Commandment). Let's look at the verse carefully, in its full context, and then assess whether it refers to the weekly Sabbath from the Ten Commandments or ceremonial sabbaths in the Law of Moses.




Colossians 2:16–17 (NKJV)


16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.



Key Questions:​


1. What kind of “sabbaths” is Paul talking about?


Let’s break the phrase down:


“festival, new moon, or sabbaths”

This phrase appears in many places in the Old Testament, often in this same order, and always refers to ceremonial observances:


  • 1 Chronicles 23:31
  • 2 Chronicles 2:4
  • 2 Chronicles 31:3
  • Nehemiah 10:33
  • Ezekiel 45:17
  • Hosea 2:11

These texts link festivals, new moons, and sabbaths as ceremonial observances — part of the Mosaic (Levitical) system, not the weekly seventh-day Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.


That’s why Paul says in Col. 2:17:


"which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ."

In other words, these ceremonial laws pointed forward to Christ and found their fulfillment in Him.




2. Is the weekly Sabbath also a shadow?


There’s a strong distinction between:


Type of LawDescriptionShadow of Christ?Abolished in Christ?
Moral Law (10 Commandments)Eternal moral principles (Ex. 20)❌ No❌ No
Ceremonial LawFeasts, sacrifices, rituals, sabbaths tied to festivals (Lev. 23)✅ Yes✅ Yes

  • The weekly Sabbathwas:
    • Given at Creation (Genesis 2:2–3)
    • Reinforced in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:8–11)
    • Not instituted as a shadow, but as a memorial of creation
  • The ceremonial sabbaths(e.g., Day of Atonement, Feast of Trumpets) are:
    • Called sabbaths too (see Leviticus 23)
    • Fall on various days, not necessarily the seventh day
    • Shadows pointing to Jesus' work

Therefore, when Paul talks about “sabbaths which are a shadow”, he refers to these ceremonial sabbaths, not the weekly Sabbath of the Fourth Commandment.




3. Did Jesus or the Apostles abolish the weekly Sabbath?


  • Jesus kept the Sabbath (Luke 4:16)
  • The disciples kept the Sabbath after Jesus' death (Acts 13:42, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4)
  • Hebrews 4:9 says:
    "There remains therefore a Sabbath rest [Greek: sabbatismos] for the people of God."



✅ Conclusion:​


Colossians 2:16 does not cancel the weekly Sabbath commandment.
It refers to ceremonial sabbaths, along with food and drink offerings, and religious festivals that were shadows pointing to Christ.


The Fourth Commandment Sabbath is not a shadow, but a memorial of creation and a sign of God’s sanctifying work (Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12).

2. But Which Commandment Does God Emphasize Most in the Bible?


✅ The Fourth Commandment (Sabbath) is the only one God:​


  • Calls "My holy day" (Isaiah 58:13)
  • Links to Creation (Genesis 2:1–3; Exodus 20:11)
  • Uses to test Israel's obedience before Sinai (Exodus 16)
  • Commands to remember as a sign between Him and His people (Ezekiel 20:12, 20)
  • Institutes as a covenantal sign (Exodus 31:13–17)

The Fourth Commandment is the most directly spoken about by God throughout the Bible. It is personally claimed by Him, reaffirmed repeatedly, and tied to His identity as both Creator and Sanctifier.
 
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Great question — Colossians 2:16 is often cited in discussions about whether Christians are still required to keep the Sabbath commandment (the Fourth Commandment). Let's look at the verse carefully, in its full context, and then assess whether it refers to the weekly Sabbath from the Ten Commandments or ceremonial sabbaths in the Law of Moses.




Colossians 2:16–17 (NKJV)






Key Questions:​


1. What kind of “sabbaths” is Paul talking about?


Let’s break the phrase down:




This phrase appears in many places in the Old Testament, often in this same order, and always refers to ceremonial observances:


  • 1 Chronicles 23:31
  • 2 Chronicles 2:4
  • 2 Chronicles 31:3
  • Nehemiah 10:33
  • Ezekiel 45:17
  • Hosea 2:11

These texts link festivals, new moons, and sabbaths as ceremonial observances — part of the Mosaic (Levitical) system, not the weekly seventh-day Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.


That’s why Paul says in Col. 2:17:




In other words, these ceremonial laws pointed forward to Christ and found their fulfillment in Him.




2. Is the weekly Sabbath also a shadow?


There’s a strong distinction between:


Type of LawDescriptionShadow of Christ?Abolished in Christ?
Moral Law (10 Commandments)Eternal moral principles (Ex. 20)❌ No❌ No
Ceremonial LawFeasts, sacrifices, rituals, sabbaths tied to festivals (Lev. 23)✅ Yes✅ Yes

  • The weekly Sabbathwas:
    • Given at Creation (Genesis 2:2–3)
    • Reinforced in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:8–11)
    • Not instituted as a shadow, but as a memorial of creation
  • The ceremonial sabbaths(e.g., Day of Atonement, Feast of Trumpets) are:
    • Called sabbaths too (see Leviticus 23)
    • Fall on various days, not necessarily the seventh day
    • Shadows pointing to Jesus' work

Therefore, when Paul talks about “sabbaths which are a shadow”, he refers to these ceremonial sabbaths, not the weekly Sabbath of the Fourth Commandment.




3. Did Jesus or the Apostles abolish the weekly Sabbath?


  • Jesus kept the Sabbath (Luke 4:16)
  • The disciples kept the Sabbath after Jesus' death (Acts 13:42, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4)
  • Hebrews 4:9 says:



✅ Conclusion:​


Colossians 2:16 does not cancel the weekly Sabbath commandment.
It refers to ceremonial sabbaths, along with food and drink offerings, and religious festivals that were shadows pointing to Christ.


The Fourth Commandment Sabbath is not a shadow, but a memorial of creation and a sign of God’s sanctifying work (Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12).

2. But Which Commandment Does God Emphasize Most in the Bible?


✅ The Fourth Commandment (Sabbath) is the only one God:​


  • Calls "My holy day" (Isaiah 58:13)
  • Links to Creation (Genesis 2:1–3; Exodus 20:11)
  • Uses to test Israel's obedience before Sinai (Exodus 16)
  • Commands to remember as a sign between Him and His people (Ezekiel 20:12, 20)
  • Institutes as a covenantal sign (Exodus 31:13–17)
Interesting. I guess if one asks the question without a lens the answer can be different.

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Is the weekly Sabbath a shadow of Jesus Christ of Nazareth?

Based solely on the provided biblical information (Colossians 2:16-17), the weekly Sabbath is grouped with festivals and new moons as a "shadow of things to come," with "the substance belonging to Christ." This text does not explicitly exclude the weekly Sabbath from this "shadow" category, but different biblical interpretations exist on this specific point.

Thanks for sharing.
 
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Interesting. I guess if one asks the question without a lens the answer can be different.

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Is the weekly Sabbath a shadow of Jesus Christ of Nazareth?

Based solely on the provided biblical information (Colossians 2:16-17), the weekly Sabbath is grouped with festivals and new moons as a "shadow of things to come," with "the substance belonging to Christ." This text does not explicitly exclude the weekly Sabbath from this "shadow" category, but different biblical interpretations exist on this specific point.

Thanks for sharing.
There was no lense to the question I asked to go only by what the Bible said, not the opinions of man that have flooded the internet.

The weekly Sabbath is connected to God of Creation and His sanctification, I pray you do not think those things are shadows. Rev 14:7 Isa 66:17 Isa 66:23 clearly show they are not.

I guess that's why the Sabbath continues Isa 66:23 thus saith the Lord in the same manner Jesus Luke 4:16 and the apostles Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 kept according to how God commanded. Lev 23:3 Exo 20:8-11
 
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The First Commandment connects most personally to who God is — the call to love, worship, and serve Him alone.
But the Fourth Commandment (the Sabbath) connects most experientially — it’s the sign and reminder of our relationship with Him as Creator and Redeemer.

Together, the First and Fourth Commandments are the two that most directly connect us to God Himself — His identity, authority, and presence.

The 4th commandment reveals who the God is in the very first commandment. As there are many gods of this world but one God who has the power to create the heavens and the earth and the power to sanctify a day and us- both connected to God's Sabbath. Gen 2:1-3 Eze 20:12
 
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1. What kind of “sabbaths” is Paul talking about?


Let’s break the phrase down:



This phrase appears in many places in the Old Testament, often in this same order, and always refers to ceremonial observances:


  • 1 Chronicles 23:31
  • 2 Chronicles 2:4
  • 2 Chronicles 31:3
  • Nehemiah 10:33
  • Ezekiel 45:17
  • Hosea 2:11

These texts link festivals, new moons, and sabbaths as ceremonial observances — part of the Mosaic (Levitical) system, not the weekly seventh-day Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.
A Sabbath (shabbat) is a rest. A Feast ( Moed) is a poor translation of Moed. There is not a single English word to translate the Hebrew word Moed. I takes two words, Appointment, and Rehearsal. On the days that Yah has appointments with us, we are to rehearse his plan for his creation.

There are eight Moedim (rehearsal appointments) mentioned in Leviticus 23. Leviticus 23 mentions Shabbats, including the seventh day Shabbat; but not all of the days of those Moedim are Shabbats. According to Enoch's, calendar, today is a moed; but it is not a shabbat.

All of YHWH's are eternal and all point to things to come.

SHABBAT (Sabbath)

" Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant." (Exodus 31:16)


PESACH (Passover)

“And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to YHWH throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)

HAG MATZOT (Unleavened Bread)

“And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:17)

BIKKURIM (Feast of First Fruits)

You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings (Leviticus 23:14)

SHAVUOT (Feast of Weeks)

“And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute FOREVER in all your dwellings throughout your generations.” (Leviticus 23:21)

YOM TERUAH (Feast of Trumpets)

The sons of Aaron, the priests, shall blow the trumpets; and these shall be to you as an ordinance FOREVER throughout your generations. (Numbers 10:8)

YOM KIPPUR (Day of Atonement)

Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings. (Leviticus 23:31)

FEAST OF TABERNACLES (Booths / Sukkot)

And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)

Paul was not contradicting the word of YHWH.

I wrote of this verse here: Colossians 2:16

Hopefully it will bring edification to those who strive toward love for, and obedience to, our Creator.
 
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A Sabbath (shabbat) is a rest. A Feast ( Moed) is a poor translation of Moed. There is not a single English word to translate the Hebrew word Moed. I takes two words, Appointment, and Rehearsal. On the days that Yah has appointments with us, we are to rehearse his plan for his creation.

There are eight Moedim (rehearsal appointments) mentioned in Leviticus 23. Leviticus 23 mentions Shabbats, including the seventh day Shabbat; but not all of the days of those Moedim are Shabbats. According to Enoch's, calendar, today is a moed; but it is not a shabbat.

All of YHWH's are eternal and all point to things to come.

SHABBAT (Sabbath)

" Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant." (Exodus 31:16)


PESACH (Passover)

“And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to YHWH throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)

HAG MATZOT (Unleavened Bread)

“And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:17)

BIKKURIM (Feast of First Fruits)

You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings (Leviticus 23:14)

SHAVUOT (Feast of Weeks)

“And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute FOREVER in all your dwellings throughout your generations.” (Leviticus 23:21)

YOM TERUAH (Feast of Trumpets)

The sons of Aaron, the priests, shall blow the trumpets; and these shall be to you as an ordinance FOREVER throughout your generations. (Numbers 10:8)

YOM KIPPUR (Day of Atonement)

Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings. (Leviticus 23:31)

FEAST OF TABERNACLES (Booths / Sukkot)

And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)

Paul was not contradicting the word of YHWH.

I wrote of this verse here: Colossians 2:16

Hopefully it will bring edification to those who strive toward love for, and obedience to, our Creator.
How does one keep the annual feast days with the earthy temple destroyed? Didn't that require animal sacrifices and didn't Jesus end those at the cross? Heb 10:1-10 Heb 9:10-15
 
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There was no lense to the question I asked to go only by what the Bible said, not the opinions of man that have flooded the internet.
Highly debatable.

✅ Conclusion:​


Colossians 2:16 does not cancel the weekly Sabbath commandment.
It refers to ceremonial sabbaths, along with food and drink offerings, and religious festivals that were shadows pointing to Christ.


The Fourth Commandment Sabbath is not a shadow, but a memorial of creation and a sign of God’s sanctifying work (Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12).


Your source uses exodus 31:13 to present this biased, fallacious, claim that contradicts Paul.

The verses that I posted in my previous post give the same commandment for every other moed that I presented.

Using the logic and of your source, I could make the same fallacious claim about any of the moedim that I mentioned.
 
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Highly debatable.
Its not debatable, it what I asked AI to do, go by the Bible only. I posted the unedited results.
Your source uses exodus 31:13 to present this biased, fallacious, claim that contradicts Paul.

The verses that I posted in my previous post give the same commandment for every other moed that I presented.

Using the logic and of your source, I could make the same fallacious claim about any of the moedim that I mentioned.
Hi Hark!

I am going to put this here again incase it was missed

How does one keep the annual feast days with the earthy temple destroyed? Didn't that require animal sacrifices and didn't Jesus end that at the cross with His Sacrifice, once and for all. Heb 10:1-10 Heb 9:10-15
 
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How does one keep the annual feast days with the earthy temple destroyed?
The same way that they were kept before Yah's people entered the land.

Didn't that require animal sacrifice
I hear this knee jerk question asked by many Christians. I wonder if it is rooted in the dogma taught at seminary school.

Wasn't dogma supposed to be nailed to the cross?

This question opens up the super family sized canned of worms for those who are diligent in seeking the truth.

As the word sacrifice is used to translate many different Hebrew words; lets start with which word you mean.

I'm in the early stages of an extensive study on this subject that can be found here: MJ Only - YHWH's Table - Table Talk

I probably will not finish this study within my lifetime.



and didn't Jesus end those at the cross? Heb 10:1-10 Heb 9:10-15
I missed the specific verse that says that. Can you post it here verbatim?
 
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The same way that they were kept before Yah's people entered the land.


I hear this knee jerk question asked by many Christians. I wonder if it is rooted in the dogma taught at seminary school.

Wasn't dogma supposed to be nailed to the cross?

This question opens up the super family sized canned of worms for those who are diligent in seeking the truth.

As the word sacrifice is used to translate many different Hebrew words; lets start with which word you mean.

I'm in the early stages of an extensive study on this subject that can be found here: MJ Only - YHWH's Table - Table Talk

I probably will not finish this study within my lifetime.




I missed the specific verse that says that. Can you post it here verbatim?
From my understanding the feasts were always at the temple. And I would have no reason to kill an animal and make a sin offering, when Jesus fulfilled those in Him.

I am okay agreeing to disagree.
 
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Its not debatable, it what I asked AI to do, go by the Bible only. I posted the unedited results.
Ok, I could have worded my response a little better.

There was no lense to the question I asked to go only by what the Bible said, not the opinions of man that have flooded the internet.Its not debatable, it what I asked AI to do, go by the Bible only. I posted the unedited results.
Clearly the AI drew on the opinions of men that have flooded the internet to come up with this convoluted dogma.
 
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From my understanding the feasts were always at the temple.
No. There was no Temple until after Solomon was born.
And I would have no reason to kill an animal and make a sin offering, when Jesus fulfilled those in Him.
Let's not throw in a red herring. You said sacrifice before, not offering.

How many of the words translated as Sacrifice are associated with sin, regarding the Moedim?

Hint: It's very rare.
 
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Great question — Colossians 2:16 is often cited in discussions about whether Christians are still required to keep the Sabbath commandment (the Fourth Commandment). Let's look at the verse carefully, in its full context, and then assess whether it refers to the weekly Sabbath from the Ten Commandments or ceremonial sabbaths in the Law of Moses.
This looks totally like a false premise, or in other words maybe false motive/ quicksand, and nothing can nor should be built upon nor from it.
 
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Clearly the AI drew on the opinions of men that have flooded the internet to come up with this convoluted dogma.
Yes, so it clearly seems. Thus adding a false judge to a false motive/ or false purpose ?
 
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No. There was no Temple until after Solomon was born.
Sure there was, they made a tent/tabernacle during the wilderness so God could dwell among His people
Let's not throw in a red herring. You said sacrifice before, not offering.
All sacrifices and feasts days, sin offerings etc all ended at the Cross. Col 2:14-17 Heb 10:1-10 Heb 9:10-15

Num 9:13 But the man who is clean and is not on a journey, and ceases to keep the Passover, that same person shall be cut off from among his people, because he did not bring the offering of the Lord at its appointed time; that man shall bear his sin.


Heb 7:27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.

Jesus blood was enough and all feasts are fulfilled in Him. 1 Cor 5:7 Heb 10:1-10 Heb 9:10-15

If you don't agree, I am not going to judge you that's not my job
I'm OK with seeking the truth.
As am I, I pray we all are
 
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Sure there was, they made a tent/tabernacle during the wilderness so God could dwell among His people
No, that was not the temple.

The directions outside of the land are different than the directions for inside the land.

All sacrifices and feasts days, sin offerings etc all ended at the Cross. Col 2:14-17 Heb 10:1-10 Heb 9:10-15


Wrong; and that is not what the verses you provided say. That is dogma; and dogma was nailed to the stake.

...And you never did tell me which Hebrew word you were referring to that was likely mistranslated as "sacrifice."


(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

(CLV) Isa 56:8
Averring is my Lord Yahweh, Convener of the expelled of Israel: I shall convene more to him besides those being convened to him.


(CLV) Jer 33:18
As for the Levitical priests there shall not be cut off a man from before Me who offers up the ascent offering and fumes the approach present and offers sacrifices for all the days.
 
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Jesus blood was enough and all feasts are fulfilled in Him. 1 Cor 5:7 Heb 10:1-10 Heb 9:10-15
All has not been fulfilled; and as I've already pointed out; YHWH himself says that the Moedim are forever.

Some of Yahshua's very last words while he was still on earth, after he had been risen:

(CLV) Lk 24:44
Now He said to them, "These are My words, which I speak to you, still being with you, for all must be fulfilled that is written in the law of Moses and the prophets and psalms concerning Me."

The Torah has not been fully fulfilled.

YHWH condemns sin in the flesh

(CLV) Ro 8:4
that the just requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who are not walking in accord with flesh, but in accord with spirit.

Disregarding YHWH directions concerning his appointments is sin. I fulfill his Moedim so that the Torah (direction) may be fulfilled in me.
 
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No, that was not the temple.

The directions outside of the land are different than the directions for inside the land.
Scripture please. It served as the same purpose.
Wrong; and that is not what the verses you provided say. That is dogma; and dogma was nailed to the stake.

...And you never did tell me which Hebrew word you were referring to that was likely mistranslated as "sacrifice."


(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

(CLV) Isa 56:8
Averring is my Lord Yahweh, Convener of the expelled of Israel: I shall convene more to him besides those being convened to him.


(CLV) Jer 33:18
As for the Levitical priests there shall not be cut off a man from before Me who offers up the ascent offering and fumes the approach present and offers sacrifices for all the days.
If you want to continue animal offerings despite Heb 10:1-1- Heb 9:10-15 Col 2:14-17 that's your choice.

In the NC offerings are this:

  • Romans 12:1 12 I beseech[a] you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your [b]reasonable service.
  • Rev 5:8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
  • Rev 8:3 Then another angel, having a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand.

God ended all sacrifices and offerings once and for all.

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them(which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

1 Cor 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

I am not going to continue debating this, I am not going to judge you if you want to continue with the feast days animal offerings despite no temple, and Jesus ended all sacrifices and offerings through His great Sacrifice . I wish you well.
 
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