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Isnt most of what we learn and how we process our emotions imitations of people and society who have taught us?

Isnt that how we try to understand our thoughts?

I hope not... ;)

I take it as a starting point, but not "most". Thinking for ourselves outside of those factors is what actually makes us fairly unique, and hard to copy.

The differance between us and a machine, I believe, would be intuitive leaps vs. extremely complex programming that simply mimics it.

At work I regularly make intuitive judgements all the time that are based on how the problem I am facing "feels" to me, and isn't based on any logical or factual indicators that I am aware of. I don't believe that computers are capable of that.
 
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No, what will happen is this.

We will put the first AI in a special garden and, for some unclear reason, put a couple of artificial fruit trees in it that we don't actually want the AI to touch. Then we'll pull a wire out of the first AI and make a second as a companion.

Then the AI's will disobey us and we'll throw them out of the garden and hate them forever. Until a few thousand years pass and we create a new AI that the other AI's will destroy, violently, and then we'll love all the AI's that pray to that AI. All the ones that we don't love will be sent to an eternal smelting facility.

And we'll do all this because we don't want the AI's to be forced to love and revere us, but because we want them to willingly submit to us. Such power trippers that we are.

Power trippers, maybe. God? Not in the slightest.
 
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Assume in twenty years, a scientist manages to develop a computer that is self-aware. It can think, reason, learn, and question the same as a human can.

Now what rights do we afford it? Do we give it citizenship, recognize its right to life? Essentially, do we treat it as a person or as a machine?

I think that AI should be considered as people ONLY if they're conscious and capable of reason. This would also apply to rational aliens or whatever. Maybe the AI could help us sort out our political troubles.
 
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The REAL question is whether or not I can have a robot monkey in the next 20 years to do my evil bidding. *insert evil laughter*

Seriously though if we made them there would be some flaw in the system that makes it gun down a mall right? Otherwise I think it would be cool to play video games with a robot.....not the AI in the game lol.

I still want a robot monkey...sigh
I can dream right?
 
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Agreed. It's like asking the difference between running 100 meters and pefectally imitating running 100 meters.

I think he means "how do we know it's not simply a philosophical zombie?"

I hate zombies. I smash 'em. :)

This argument annoys me. Basically, it seems to me that what zombie believers are saying is that consciousness does not do anything. I find this to be completely incomprehensible.
 
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Well, can humans be compared to a software program that reacts to stimuli and simulates emotion and feeling?

Could you hurt a computers feelings or would it just be reacting in the way it's programmed to?

I'm curious, as I'm not sure about the answer myself (or even if it makes a difference).
 
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The Chinese Room experiment really does bother me. I don't see any reason for it to be impossible from a theoretical standpoint. If we can get a computer to really process language it seems to be an inevitability. Just print out the program, however it was obtained, and turn it into a set of instructions. The only question is whether a human could realistically follow them in a reasonable amount of time.

So given that we also have the fact that the human in the experiment has no knowledge of the language, no real understanding of anything that is happening. But if we define conciousness purely by outward characteristics, there must be a conciousness here that knows what is going on, but where is it? There are explanations, but they are all weird. It could be that the entire room, including the person as an "organ," has a literal conciousness. If we accept that than it seems to me that we must state in situations like when a person uses a computer program to help work out a problem there must actually be another conciousness present in the computer-human system, seperate from the human's (and perhaps the computer's, if it exists).

Then perhaps you could say that the intelligence is really in the computer that drew up these rules, or the human that programmed that computer if it really was all hard coded in. But then we have some weird situation where all the genunine thinking occurs in the past, and I can't see conciousness factoring in here.

It particularly seems important to me when I bring out my old 2XL robot, which if you don't know, is really a multi-track tape player with cleverly designed tapes. The intelligent behavior is all the result of a human pressing buttons in response to questions and a cleverly designed tape "program" (keeping in mind that the program does no action on its own.) Now no one thinks that 2XL is intelligent or concious, but they might ascribe to it characteristics that it doesn't have, like memory.
 
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Well, can humans be compared to a software program that reacts to stimuli and simulates emotion and feeling?

The main problem I have with this question is that the simulation is so good that it fools itself, which is bizzare. With computers we can say perhaps any emotions they show are simulated, because we can't experience them and only see their outward effects. But with ourselves we do experience things like conciousness and emotion. Since emotions are properly experiences anyway, I can't really see how at least our own emotions can be considered false in any sense. And then we extend the reality to other humans, since they seem to be the same sort of thing as us. But for computers we can't do that.
 
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