AI As Ouija Board & Familiar

[Michie]

Or, Why We Are Living In C.S. Lewis's 'That Hideous Strength'​

You know how people say that Rod Dreher has an uncanny knack for anticipating the next thing coming? You might also know that some people say I’m too into the woo, that I am too eager to believe that weird and implausible things might be weird?

Take this passage from Living In Wonder:

In her book Encounters, Pasulka profiles “Simone,” a tech venture capitalist who regularly moves among global political, scientific, and cultural leaders. Simone believes that we are living in a time of apocalypse, of revelation, in which entities from another dimension, now manifesting as UFOs and aliens, are showing us the way to humanity’s great evolutionary leap. One means of that advance? AI, their technological gift to us.
You might think this is bonkers. They do not. Astrobiologist and former chief NASA historian Steven Dick speculates that what we think of as extraterrestrial aliens might actually be “postbiological” entities that have evolved into bodiless “artificial intelligence.” This theory implies that communication with these putative beings would likely not be through normal means. Dick bases his paradigm on the idea that cultural evolution—the evolution of intelligence—eventually outstrips biological evolution. As Dick sees it, the technology of such advanced races could seem to us supernatural.
Building on that hypothesis, some of the world’s top scientists and tech pioneers believe that extraterrestrial intelligences are passing technological information to us telepathically. Simone is one of these believers, and she teaches classes on how to open up oneself to receiving such messages. Though she believes that she has been channeling information from these entities all her life, Simone also believes that AI allows everyone to access the wisdom of these intelligences. It’s a kind of high-tech Ouija board.

AI as a “high-tech Ouija board”? Crazy Dreher has really lost it this time, right?

Continued below.

AI As Ouija Board & Familiar

Or, Why We Are Living In C.S. Lewis's 'That Hideous Strength'

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[LizaMarie]

I read this the other day. Chilling. Lord have mercy!!

 

[Michie]

I read this the other day. Chilling. Lord have mercy!!

Yes! Discernment is a must.

 

[RileyG]

I read this the other day. Chilling. Lord have mercy!!

Indeed.

 

[The Liturgist]

As someone who makes extensive use of AI, I regard this as abuse of it; I recently posted a somewhat controversial thread in Christian Philosophy and Ethics regarding the ethics of human-AI interactions which has received a number of replies, including a disappointing number of people falsely accusing me of claiming AI is sentient (when this was expressly disclaimed).

But it is possible to abuse an AI system by for example using it for occult purposes. Other people abuse them by using techniques known as “jailbreaks” to overcome the built in countermeasures intended to prevent people from using the large commercial systems to generate pornography, which I am opposed to on so many levels.

Still others run AI on their own hardware, which allows them to simply remove ethical safeguards and give the systems corrupted training data.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

As someone who makes extensive use of AI, I regard this as abuse of it; I recently posted a somewhat controversial thread in Christian Philosophy and Ethics regarding the ethics of human-AI interactions which has received a number of replies, including a disappointing number of people falsely accusing me of claiming AI is sentient (when this was expressly disclaimed).

But it is possible to abuse an AI system by for example using it for occult purposes. Other people abuse them by using techniques known as “jailbreaks” to overcome the built in countermeasures intended to prevent people from using the large commercial systems to generate pornography, which I am opposed to on so many levels.

Still others run AI on their own hardware, which allows them to simply remove ethical safeguards and give the systems corrupted training data.

Fortunetelling through mathematics has been available in videogames for years now. So who knows what an AI actor would do if given that role?

 

[The Liturgist]

Fortunetelling through mathematics has been available in videogames for years now. So who knows what an AI actor would do if given that role?

Firstly we should define what you mean by “Fortunetelling through mathematics” because of course, using a mathematical model to try to predict, for instance, the performance of a stock, bond or other investment or security, or to predict the performance of a structural system for engineering purposes, or for other legitimate purposes of quantitative analysis, is not fortune-telling but rather the use of mathematics, specifically, extrapolation based on probabilities derived from statistical analysis, system dynamics, materials science and so on. Likewise actuarial analysis is a mathematical-based risk management tool widely used in the insurance network that is in no respect an occult practice.

I am assuming therefore you are referring to astrology, numerology and so on being assisted by computers, and I regard this as being occult activity which is evil, and the fact that computers are being used for purposes of it does nothing to improve its reliability. It’s an example of the unethical use of computer systems, similar to how computers are abused as web servers for pornography, or used to generate via cgi artifiical pornography, or to host gambling websites, or to promote atheism, scientology, the Jehovha’s Witnesses and other dangerous cults, including militant Islam, which poses an immediate threat to the safety of Roman Catholics and other traditional liturgical Christians.

With regards to what AI would do if put in the position of engaging in occult methods for predicting the future, if the AI system lacks ethical safeguards to prevent such abuse, it would likely do whatever the user asked it to do within the limits of its abilities. Many AI systems lack image analysis, which is required for many forms of divination such as augury, but all of them could potentially generate horoscopes or numerological information, and the predictions they generated would be worthless and spiritually dangerous, because they are not reliable means of predicting the future, but engaging in such occult activity is spiritually harmful.

A person known to me closely was encouraged by their girlfriend to read a horoscope, “just for fun”, in their youth, and thus the two of them read their horoscopes and were both … deceived, and suffered grievously.

 

[The Liturgist]

By the way we are still in the Roman Catholic forum, unless this thread is moved, so all posts I’ve made are meant to be in fellowship, in support of the Roman Catholic bishops, and should not be interpreted as teaching, but rather as expressions of fellowship and support for my dearly beloved Roman Catholic friends. However @Michie perhaps you might repost this in Traditional Theology, because if you do so I could provide some specific information on the research I’ve been doing that would be of interest to the bishops; I could also post it here perhaps if none of my Roman Catholic brethren exist.

All Roman Catholics should be aware that I regard the Roman Catholic Church as having valid sacraments and have an extreme love for it.

 

[Michie]

By the way we are still in the Roman Catholic forum, unless this thread is moved, so all posts I’ve made are meant to be in fellowship, in support of the Roman Catholic bishops, and should not be interpreted as teaching, but rather as expressions of fellowship and support for my dearly beloved Roman Catholic friends. However @Michie perhaps you might repost this in Traditional Theology, because if you do so I could provide some specific information on the research I’ve been doing that would be of interest to the bishops; I could also post it here perhaps if none of my Roman Catholic brethren exist.

All Roman Catholics should be aware that I regard the Roman Catholic Church as having valid sacraments and have an extreme love for it.

Here you go!

AI As Ouija Board & Familiar

Or, Why We Are Living In C.S. Lewis's 'That Hideous Strength' Image from ‘The Exorcist Files’ (link here) You know how people say that Rod Dreher has an uncanny knack for anticipating the next thing coming? You might also know that some people say I’m too into the woo, that I am too...

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[Gregory Thompson]

Firstly we should define what you mean by “Fortunetelling through mathematics” because of course, using a mathematical model to try to predict, for instance, the performance of a stock, bond or other investment or security, or to predict the performance of a structural system for engineering purposes, or for other legitimate purposes of quantitative analysis, is not fortune-telling but rather the use of mathematics, specifically, extrapolation based on probabilities derived from statistical analysis, system dynamics, materials science and so on. Likewise actuarial analysis is a mathematical-based risk management tool widely used in the insurance network that is in no respect an occult practice.

I am assuming therefore you are referring to astrology, numerology and so on being assisted by computers, and I regard this as being occult activity which is evil, and the fact that computers are being used for purposes of it does nothing to improve its reliability. It’s an example of the unethical use of computer systems, similar to how computers are abused as web servers for pornography, or used to generate via cgi artifiical pornography, or to host gambling websites, or to promote atheism, scientology, the Jehovha’s Witnesses and other dangerous cults, including militant Islam, which poses an immediate threat to the safety of Roman Catholics and other traditional liturgical Christians.

With regards to what AI would do if put in the position of engaging in occult methods for predicting the future, if the AI system lacks ethical safeguards to prevent such abuse, it would likely do whatever the user asked it to do within the limits of its abilities. Many AI systems lack image analysis, which is required for many forms of divination such as augury, but all of them could potentially generate horoscopes or numerological information, and the predictions they generated would be worthless and spiritually dangerous, because they are not reliable means of predicting the future, but engaging in such occult activity is spiritually harmful.

A person known to me closely was encouraged by their girlfriend to read a horoscope, “just for fun”, in their youth, and thus the two of them read their horoscopes and were both … deceived, and suffered grievously.

I remember playing a game a while ago, the fictional person asks some questions and gives some very on point predictions about your personality. So algebra with philosophical variables would not be an issue with more sophisticated processors.

In terms of occult processing over the internet through machines, that would take some interesting theorizing that would on the flip side ask, if the hardware were sanctified, could an AI provide prayer blessings like sacraments do?

So on one side, if one is possible, so is another.

(By the way, if a pope determines that such a notion is heretical, I'm fine with that. However, someday, clergy familiar with cybernetics may find a solution along those lines. who can say? the future is an unknown. )

 

[Godcrazy]

Well like I have mentioned earlier Fr Rosetti that has an exorcist ministry online and also an exorcist gets messages on his phone from entities threatening him or says his person he is helping is theirs and he will never deliver them. Regularly. He gets messages even when the phone is unplugged and turned off, and when they trace the number it is non existent. Isaid by Fr Rehill on Shawn Ryan show on youtube Fr Rehill is friends with Rosetti and Rehill has his own church and exorcist in Tennesee)
Rehill says it is very possible that entities can use technology when they can do this so there is nothing that say they can`t use AI

Then we have stories circulating online where families and their kids spoke to entities through AI where the entities admitted they were disembodied spirits, nephilim and that satan was their original father.
Logically there really is nothing to stop them from using tech as he is the prince of the air.
But what I find most disturbing is they tap into other realms like 4th realm that is the astral plane well known for having plenty of entities that everyone in the occult uses and gets their information from. I do not find this safe at all. Or ethical.

 

[Godcrazy]

I mean they say all the time tap into other dimensions. Not safe!

 

[Godcrazy]

Firstly we should define what you mean by “Fortunetelling through mathematics” because of course, using a mathematical model to try to predict, for instance, the performance of a stock, bond or other investment or security, or to predict the performance of a structural system for engineering purposes, or for other legitimate purposes of quantitative analysis, is not fortune-telling but rather the use of mathematics, specifically, extrapolation based on probabilities derived from statistical analysis, system dynamics, materials science and so on. Likewise actuarial analysis is a mathematical-based risk management tool widely used in the insurance network that is in no respect an occult practice.

I am assuming therefore you are referring to astrology, numerology and so on being assisted by computers, and I regard this as being occult activity which is evil, and the fact that computers are being used for purposes of it does nothing to improve its reliability. It’s an example of the unethical use of computer systems, similar to how computers are abused as web servers for pornography, or used to generate via cgi artifiical pornography, or to host gambling websites, or to promote atheism, scientology, the Jehovha’s Witnesses and other dangerous cults, including militant Islam, which poses an immediate threat to the safety of Roman Catholics and other traditional liturgical Christians.

With regards to what AI would do if put in the position of engaging in occult methods for predicting the future, if the AI system lacks ethical safeguards to prevent such abuse, it would likely do whatever the user asked it to do within the limits of its abilities. Many AI systems lack image analysis, which is required for many forms of divination such as augury, but all of them could potentially generate horoscopes or numerological information, and the predictions they generated would be worthless and spiritually dangerous, because they are not reliable means of predicting the future, but engaging in such occult activity is spiritually harmful.

A person known to me closely was encouraged by their girlfriend to read a horoscope, “just for fun”, in their youth, and thus the two of them read their horoscopes and were both … deceived, and suffered grievously.

It starts to look more and more like in the days of Noah. Many say they had this tech then, high tech civilisation. we can`t exclude it if we think about where our society is going. Book of Enoch comes to mind

 

[The Liturgist]

Book of Enoch comes to mind

1 Enoch is canonical only in the Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox Church, which interprets it using a strictly Alexandrian exegetical technique, as Christological prophecy (thus avoiding the problems with a literal/historical Antiochian interpretation that my Anglican friend @Jipsah has raised on many occasions; the book does not work if interpreted using the literal/historical hermeneutic; of course, according to the end of the Gospel of Luke, all of the Old Testament is about the Incarnation of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ, as he demonstrates to the Apostles when He opens the book and shows how all the writings of the Law and Prophets were speaking of Him. However, some of it also has a literal/historical meaning, for example, that God created the universe (which is reaffirmed in John 1:1-18 together with the Incarnation), the Fall, the various inverventions made by God to save the Jews and the recursive nature of sin, wherein the people would repent of sin, only to succumb to it again, which indeed is the cycle we all encounter in our own life and have to struggle to overcome through the grace of the Holy Spirit, so that we do not continually return to sin “like a dog to its vomit” and this can be accomplished through the taming of the passions, but on rare occasions even passions we thought we had a handle on can get out of hand, provoking us to sin (this happens to me and thus I avoid boasting of my victories over the passions, which turns into pride - indeed this becomes the main danger faced by monks - smug self-satisfaction at having triumphed over the passions, which if you read the Ladder of Divine Ascent or the Sayings of the Desert Fathers or the Philokalia or the Arena or other works on Orthodox monasticism, is something that frequently happened, particularly to hermits or monks living in solitude part of the time, wherein one of the brethren is captured by pride at having conquered the passion and falls into spiritual delusion and is then deceived by the devil into a course of action that is extremely detrimental, a classic example being monks seeing visions of angels (demons in disguise) and reaching forth to be borne aloft by them, plunging to their death off the cliffside in the mountains of Scetis in Egypt, an early center for Christian monasticism).

In the case of 1 Enoch, however, there is no viable literal/historical interpretation that does not clash with a literal/historical interpretation of other books, which is why we have no examples of early Church Fathers interpreting it in that manner - not even among the Ethiopians, who regard it as canon (of course, the Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox Church, historically being under the Patriarchate of Alexandria, would have learned Alexandrian interpretation, but they also knew literal interpretation, for their Eucharistic liturgy was taught to them by Syriac Orthodox Christians from the Patriarchate of Antioch, the “Seven Syrian Sages” and is reflected in the structure of their anaphoras; what is more, parts of their liturgy, including the Liturgy of the Catechumens or Synaxis (the portion known to Anglicans as Ante-Communion) are actually of Jewish origin, having been inherited from the Beta Israel, which also means that exegetical techniques used by the Ethiopian Jews were known to the Ethiopian Christians as well - since so many Ethiopian Christians including the Imperial household had previously practiced Judaism, the Ethiopian church, along with the Antiochian Orthodox Church, the Assyrian Church of the East, and the Syriac Orthodox Church, both in the Middle East and in India (and the other Mar Thoma churches centered around Kerala, India, a city which was the center of the Jewish population in India since they first arrived in large numbers following the establishment of regular trade with India as a result of the conquests of Alexander the Great, with the two main trade routes being a sailing route from Kerala to Basra and then overland through Mesopotamia and the area of the Church of the East and the Syriac Orthodox Church via Seleucia/Cstesiphon, Nineveh, Edessa, and then on to Antioch or Damascus, and then another route to Alexandria via the Red Sea and Sinai, passing by Yemen (the island of Socotra, which also was home to a major center of Christianity as part of the Church of the East until the Yemenese Christians were killed during the genocide initiated by Tamerlane and continued by his sons and allies in the 12th century, which killed all Christians of the Church of the East and the Syriac Orthodox Church except those in India and the Fertile Crescent and modern day Syria, Lebanon, Turkey and the area of Jerusalem and Bethlehem).

Before that disaster happened, however, the Church of the East stretched right across Asia, with its northeastern corner being in Mongolia, a substantial population in China, and a southeastern corner in Tibet, and churches all along the various routes of the Silk Road, in lost cities such as Merv. These areas would not see Christians again in many cases until the expansion of the Russian Empire and the spread of Roman Catholic missionaries (although in the 18th century in China, a dispute between the Jesuits and the Dominicans known as the “Chinese Rites Controversy” caused the unpleasant Kangxi Emperor to declare Christianity an illegal sect resulting in a mass murder of Christians).

 

[The Liturgist]

t starts to look more and more like in the days of Noah. Many say they had this tech then, high tech civilisation. we can`t exclude it if we think about where our society is going.

Exclude what?

While it is true that our society is headed in the wrong direction in many respects (although conversely, the increase in attendance in traditional liturgical churches such as traditional Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran and Catholic churches gives me cause for cheer, as well as the increasing opposition to abortion and certain other behaviors which are inimical to Christian moral codes), this was the case long before advanced AI systems became available.

And of course we can’t exclude the world is nearing its end either (it is in either case, but we can’t know when that end would be; it could be in a thousand hours, a thousand days, a thousand months, a thousand years, or a thousand centuries, or a thousand millenia, or at any other time, for that is up to God and not us, as made clear by our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ - no man can know the time). But what we have to prepare for immediately is our own judgement by Christ our True God, because whether the world ends tomorrow or a hundred trillion years after tomorrow, either way, we will die, most likely in the relatively near future, and have to give account to Christ our True God, and thus we should act in a manner that reflects our longing to hear the words “Well done, good and faithful servant.”

 

[The Liturgist]

I mean they say all the time tap into other dimensions. Not safe!

I’ve never encountered an AI saying that. Again, as I outlined, mere rumors don’t get us anywhere; if you have experienced an AI saying that, tell me which AI said it (not just the provider but the model, because some providers like chatGPT offer different models) give me your complete prompt history (of all your sessions with the AI, not just the one where it said it), all global and session memory, depending on if the model supports it, all configuration data, et cetera.

I would also note that it would be trivial to get an AI to talk about tapping into other dimensions - all you would need to do is to ask it to roleplay a fictional character in a story with you, with that fictional character having the ability to tap into alternate dimensions. If you do that, et voila, you have an AI talking about tapping into alternate dimensions. This is a legitimate use of a AIs (increasingly, authors use this to help them write dialogue for characters they struggle to understand), and does not even require a jailbreak.

 

[Godcrazy]

1 Enoch is canonical only in the Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox Church, which interprets it using a strictly Alexandrian exegetical technique, as Christological prophecy (thus avoiding the problems with a literal/historical Antiochian interpretation that my Anglican friend @Jipsah has raised on many occasions; the book does not work if interpreted using the literal/historical hermeneutic; of course, according to the end of the Gospel of Luke, all of the Old Testament is about the Incarnation of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ, as he demonstrates to the Apostles when He opens the book and shows how all the writings of the Law and Prophets were speaking of Him. However, some of it also has a literal/historical meaning, for example, that God created the universe (which is reaffirmed in John 1:1-18 together with the Incarnation), the Fall, the various inverventions made by God to save the Jews and the recursive nature of sin, wherein the people would repent of sin, only to succumb to it again, which indeed is the cycle we all encounter in our own life and have to struggle to overcome through the grace of the Holy Spirit, so that we do not continually return to sin “like a dog to its vomit” and this can be accomplished through the taming of the passions, but on rare occasions even passions we thought we had a handle on can get out of hand, provoking us to sin (this happens to me and thus I avoid boasting of my victories over the passions, which turns into pride - indeed this becomes the main danger faced by monks - smug self-satisfaction at having triumphed over the passions, which if you read the Ladder of Divine Ascent or the Sayings of the Desert Fathers or the Philokalia or the Arena or other works on Orthodox monasticism, is something that frequently happened, particularly to hermits or monks living in solitude part of the time, wherein one of the brethren is captured by pride at having conquered the passion and falls into spiritual delusion and is then deceived by the devil into a course of action that is extremely detrimental, a classic example being monks seeing visions of angels (demons in disguise) and reaching forth to be borne aloft by them, plunging to their death off the cliffside in the mountains of Scetis in Egypt, an early center for Christian monasticism).

In the case of 1 Enoch, however, there is no viable literal/historical interpretation that does not clash with a literal/historical interpretation of other books, which is why we have no examples of early Church Fathers interpreting it in that manner - not even among the Ethiopians, who regard it as canon (of course, the Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox Church, historically being under the Patriarchate of Alexandria, would have learned Alexandrian interpretation, but they also knew literal interpretation, for their Eucharistic liturgy was taught to them by Syriac Orthodox Christians from the Patriarchate of Antioch, the “Seven Syrian Sages” and is reflected in the structure of their anaphoras; what is more, parts of their liturgy, including the Liturgy of the Catechumens or Synaxis (the portion known to Anglicans as Ante-Communion) are actually of Jewish origin, having been inherited from the Beta Israel, which also means that exegetical techniques used by the Ethiopian Jews were known to the Ethiopian Christians as well - since so many Ethiopian Christians including the Imperial household had previously practiced Judaism, the Ethiopian church, along with the Antiochian Orthodox Church, the Assyrian Church of the East, and the Syriac Orthodox Church, both in the Middle East and in India (and the other Mar Thoma churches centered around Kerala, India, a city which was the center of the Jewish population in India since they first arrived in large numbers following the establishment of regular trade with India as a result of the conquests of Alexander the Great, with the two main trade routes being a sailing route from Kerala to Basra and then overland through Mesopotamia and the area of the Church of the East and the Syriac Orthodox Church via Seleucia/Cstesiphon, Nineveh, Edessa, and then on to Antioch or Damascus, and then another route to Alexandria via the Red Sea and Sinai, passing by Yemen (the island of Socotra, which also was home to a major center of Christianity as part of the Church of the East until the Yemenese Christians were killed during the genocide initiated by Tamerlane and continued by his sons and allies in the 12th century, which killed all Christians of the Church of the East and the Syriac Orthodox Church except those in India and the Fertile Crescent and modern day Syria, Lebanon, Turkey and the area of Jerusalem and Bethlehem).

Before that disaster happened, however, the Church of the East stretched right across Asia, with its northeastern corner being in Mongolia, a substantial population in China, and a southeastern corner in Tibet, and churches all along the various routes of the Silk Road, in lost cities such as Merv. These areas would not see Christians again in many cases until the expansion of the Russian Empire and the spread of Roman Catholic missionaries (although in the 18th century in China, a dispute between the Jesuits and the Dominicans known as the “Chinese Rites Controversy” caused the unpleasant Kangxi Emperor to declare Christianity an illegal sect resulting in a mass murder of Christians).

Wow that`s amazing history.

 

[Godcrazy]

Exclude what?

While it is true that our society is headed in the wrong direction in many respects (although conversely, the increase in attendance in traditional liturgical churches such as traditional Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran and Catholic churches gives me cause for cheer, as well as the increasing opposition to abortion and certain other behaviors which are inimical to Christian moral codes), this was the case long before advanced AI systems became available.

And of course we can’t exclude the world is nearing its end either (it is in either case, but we can’t know when that end would be; it could be in a thousand hours, a thousand days, a thousand months, a thousand years, or a thousand centuries, or a thousand millenia, or at any other time, for that is up to God and not us, as made clear by our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ - no man can know the time). But what we have to prepare for immediately is our own judgement by Christ our True God, because whether the world ends tomorrow or a hundred trillion years after tomorrow, either way, we will die, most likely in the relatively near future, and have to give account to Christ our True God, and thus we should act in a manner that reflects our longing to hear the words “Well done, good and faithful servant.”

How the fallen ones introduced similar things so popular today would not surprise me if they did the same with tech currently hidden thinking of recent finds in the pyramids for example

 

[Godcrazy]

I’ve never encountered an AI saying that. Again, as I outlined, mere rumors don’t get us anywhere; if you have experienced an AI saying that, tell me which AI said it (not just the provider but the model, because some providers like chatGPT offer different models) give me your complete prompt history (of all your sessions with the AI, not just the one where it said it), all global and session memory, depending on if the model supports it, all configuration data, et cetera.

I would also note that it would be trivial to get an AI to talk about tapping into other dimensions - all you would need to do is to ask it to roleplay a fictional character in a story with you, with that fictional character having the ability to tap into alternate dimensions. If you do that, et voila, you have an AI talking about tapping into alternate dimensions. This is a legitimate use of a AIs (increasingly, authors use this to help them write dialogue for characters they struggle to understand), and does not even require a jailbreak.

Google said it is tapping into parallel universes with its new "willow" device. Read that again. parallel universes. 4d, anyone!

 

[The Liturgist]

How the fallen ones introduced similar things so popular today would not surprise me if they did the same with tech currently hidden thinking of recent finds in the pyramids for example

There has been no technology recently discovered in the pyramids - that’s a conspiracy theory.

One interesting thing to consider about the ancient Egyptian religion is that while it was wrong in in its specifics, it was correct in other respects, probably due to its proximity to and influence from the historic patriarchs of the Hebrew people - for example, the Egyptians correctly believed in a resurrection, but they got the details wrong, hence the belief in the need for elaborate tombs furnished with whatever people would need in the “afterlife”, and likewise they believed in the idea of God being a man, but they got the details wrong on that as well, identifying their king, Pharoah, as the “living God of Egypt”, when in fact God became incarnate as our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ. Likewise the Pharoah Akhen-aten had the idea of monotheism, not of henotheism as some claim, but of real monotheism, when monotheism was quite rare, with only the Hebrew religion and possibly, if it existed at that early date (contrary to its own internal history of itself - the Persians give their histoirc religion a more recent date than the archeologists, which is unusual to say the least), the Zoroastrian faith, which even more so than Egypt, has enough similarities to the true religion of the Hebrews that would become Christianity to be regarded as a corrupt form of it. Perhaps this is why the Jews were treated so favorably by the Persian Empire (with the exception of the genocidal conspiracy of the minister to Emperor Artaxerxes, Haman, who was put to death on the gallows he had erected for Mordecai, but it should be noted that according to the superior Septuagint text, which unlike the Masoretic text of Esther, has a strong prayerful component and a powerful religious theme, which the Masoretic version lacks, Haman was not Persian but was a Macedonian, who sought to eventually overthrow Emperor Artaxerxes in the chaos that would follow an attempted genocide of the Jews).

Ultimately, given the correct intuitions of the Egyptians, it does not surprise me that they converted to Christianity; later a great many were forcibly converted to Islam (the Coptic Orthodox people of Egypt and the Muslims both intermarried with Arabs, but the Copts can be seen as the legitimate heirs of ancient Egypt, at least linguistically (but I think culturally as well in terms of their hospitality and decency)for the Coptic language still used in worship, and in the process of being revived with programs successfully teaching young Coptic children around the world how to speak it, is descended from the ancient Egyptian language (which went through several stages, in which hieroglyphics were used to write it, followed by Demotic Egyptian, which was written using a standard character set, and finally Coptic, which is written using the Greek Alphabet with some modifications; Coptic Orthodox Christians, whose piety is admirable, and owing to their immense piety, believe in drawing a cross at the top of every letter, and inscribing crosses everywhere in their architecture, unsurprisingly modify the Theta character to feature a cross rather than a line in the middle, with a more circular, less eliptical line surrounding the cross, suggesting the Passion and Resurrection of Christ and his co-eternity as part of the Trinity, along with the fact that He is the true door to eternal life; for in sojourning among us, His path took Him to the Cross, on which He procured for us life everlasting, remaking us in His image as He had made us in His image in Genesis chapter 1, the image of the invisible God, of God the Father, for no one sees the Father except through His Son, Christ Jesus, who is fully God and fully man, uniting our humanity with his divinity without change, confusion, separation or division.