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I believe God. I believe that the correct translation of "was" in Genesis 1:2 is "became". The same word was used of Lot's wife. She did not start out a pillar of salt.
There is a problem with the statement "according to the Bible...".well according to the bible God spoke things into existence .... as christians we either believe that or not.
Genesis 1:1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
I agree with this. However, how does it necessarily mean he spoke it all into existence in the space of time equivalent to 6 of our current days?well according to the bible God spoke things into existence .... as christians we either believe that or not.
Genesis 1:1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
I agree with this. However, how does it necessarily mean he spoke it all into existence in the space of time equivalent to 6 of our current days?
But yes, as First Cause, (and I will accept no other God), he indeed spoke it all into existence.
I'm not at all confused about it. And I too agree, that it is talking about the space of an ordinary day. However, I don't know that for sure, and I'm pretty sure that the light and darkness of the first day are not about sunrise and sunset.well if you look at the word yom ....
always means an ordinary day everywhere else in Scripture .... so not to apply it to creation week is not logical
The seventh day Sabbath .... also clarifies that .... and the fact that Jesus kept that particular day Himself ... now some will say He did so because He was a Jew .... in the 10 .... He says to remember it .... a day He set aside from other days.
Here it is obvious He is referring back to creation week
Exodus 20:11
11For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.
NOTE: In depth discussion about the 7th day Sabbath has a special forum for discussion about that.
Also the use of evening and the morning .... being a day
I don't see any confusion about what a day is .... He determined that evening and morning equals one day .... the days are not tied to a clock .... rather an event ..... the setting and rising of the sun. God doesn't go by man's methods of time keeping (clocks)
What about places where the sun doesn’t set or stays dark for weeks?well if you look at the word yom ....
always means an ordinary day everywhere else in Scripture .... so not to apply it to creation week is not logical
The seventh day Sabbath .... also clarifies that .... and the fact that Jesus kept that particular day Himself ... now some will say He did so because He was a Jew .... in the 10 .... He says to remember it .... a day He set aside from other days.
Here it is obvious He is referring back to creation week
Exodus 20:11
11For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.
NOTE: In depth discussion about the 7th day Sabbath has a special forum for discussion about that.
Also the use of evening and the morning .... being a day
I don't see any confusion about what a day is .... He determined that evening and morning equals one day .... the days are not tied to a clock .... rather an event ..... the setting and rising of the sun. God doesn't go by man's methods of time keeping (clocks)
Genesis 1:5I'm not at all confused about it. And I too agree, that it is talking about the space of an ordinary day. However, I don't know that for sure, and I'm pretty sure that the light and darkness of the first day are not about sunrise and sunset.
Sun and moon had not been put into play yet. "Let there be light" (on the first day), is not the same thing as, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day."Genesis 1:5
King James Bible
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
evening/morning - sunset/sunrise .... light from the sun disappears at sunset and then reappears at sunrise.
Pretty clear.
Sun and moon had not been put into play yet. "Let there be light" (on the first day), is not the same thing as, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day."
Just sayin'...
"Let there be light" (on the first day)
Aaargh. Now I have to go find where you asserted (words to the effect that) the sun was the cause of light and measure of a day from the beginning of creation. No, nevermind. Isn't worth it.A full day is a full day (evening & morning) ... according to how it is written.
God does not need the sun, moon, and stars to provide light. God is light. 1 John 1:5
Supported by ....
Revelation 22:5
God Himself was the light for the first three days of Creation, just as He will be in the new heavens and new earth, “There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light.
well not really .... like I said God provides His own light .... the sun and moon were created for specific purposes .... for earthlings.Aaargh. Now I have to go find where you asserted (words to the effect that) the sun was the cause of light and measure of a day from the beginning of creation. No, nevermind. Isn't worth it.
I understand and agree. It's just that you said differently to begin with, or so I thought. But, nevermind...well not really .... like I said God provides His own light .... the sun and moon were created for specific purposes .... for earthlings.
Genesis 1:14
Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night (evening & morning), and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years;
It's normal for us to initially think light can not exist without the sun .... but that isn't so with God.
I agree completely. However, it is a matter of timing. I believe that what we read in Genesis (from verse 2 onward) is a restoration of a ruined planet, not a beginning from scratchwell according to the bible God spoke things into existence .... as christians we either believe that or not.
Genesis 1:1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
I had an engineer Christian friend who was pretty heavily into science, and he told me he struggled to reconcile his Christian Faith of the popular creation story and the scientific evidence for an old earth.I agree completely. However, it is a matter of timing. I believe that what we read in Genesis (from verse 2 onward) is a restoration of a ruined planet, not a beginning from scratch
That's great! I've never had a problem reconciling Genesis with science. My view is that where science and the Bible disagree, science has it wrong. I came across the "gap" theory when I read "The Mystery of Creation" by Watchman Nee. It answered a lot of questions that I had not asked, but it seems to help those who have to understand before they will accept.I had an engineer Christian friend who was pretty heavily into science, and he told me he struggled to reconcile his Christian Faith of the popular creation story and the scientific evidence for an old earth.
I gave him a Bible study I did revealing that God's Word actually does support the idea of an ancient earth, so the fossil evidence is right in line with what God's Word actually teaches. He held my study in retrospect, not really understanding it, but stayed neutral about it.
Then about 2 years later, as I was heading out to the pipe shop, he came around the corner to me excited. His Protestant Church he attends has a teaching pastor in addition to other ministers. This pastor doesn't preach, nor do visits, but only teaches Bible and is a scholar in the Hebrew. That pastor taught the congregation one Sunday what I had previously shown my friend.
So I asked him, how did others there appear when the pastor was teaching it from the Hebrew? My friend said most looked puzzled. He then said he nudged his wife and asked if she understood what the pastor was talking about, and she said she didn't have a clue. So my friend was very excited, because he discovered that God's Word does actually cover the ancient history of this earth, matching the actual fossil evidence. So I guess his telling me that was his thanks. Yet my view is all I did was to 'plant a seed', God did the watering and growing.
Yeah, the pop interpretation about the behemoth in Job is a hippopotamus. But a hippo doesn't have a tail that moves like a cedar tree. The idea of it appearing to drink up a river isn't very believable about a hippo either. Those are descriptions of a much greater animal than a hippo.That's great! I've never had a problem reconciling Genesis with science. My view is that where science and the Bible disagree, science has it wrong. I came across the "gap" theory when I read "The Mystery of Creation" by Watchman Nee. It answered a lot of questions that I had not asked, but it seems to help those who have to understand before they will accept.
Another interesting thought is that dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible. The creatures described by God to Job, Behemoth and Leviathan, could easily be dinosaurs. Is that so? I don't know for sure. We'll find out soon enough.
Another point of view can be found here: What is Job’s 'Behemoth'?
I understand his concern. I would hope that I would have the courage to teach the truth whatever the cost.Yeah, the pop interpretation about the behemoth in Job is a hippopotamus. But a hippo doesn't have a tail that moves like a cedar tree. The idea of it appearing to drink up a river isn't very believable about a hippo either. Those are descriptions of a much greater animal than a hippo.
The Leviathan, that is often seen as an crocodile.
I met a pastor once at a hospital and asked him what he thought about the 'gap' idea. He drew real close to me at the table and said, "no man showed that to me, God showed it to me". He said that twice. So I asked him if he taught it to his congregation. He said no, because only a very small number would understand. So I asked him about that small number, like shouldn't they be shown? He was silent. I hope he went back and showed his congregation, but I was aware that most preachers in mainstream Christian organizations can get fired for teaching something that sounds controversial.
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