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the argumenmts of evolution can be explained away just as easy as creationism, they both require faith to believe in. one excepts God the other rejects him

Ah yes, the "evolution = atheism" nonsense. I was wondering when that lie would rear its ugly little head.

Evolution is a science entirely dependent for its truth on the correct analysis of facts. It stands or falls by whether those facts are real.

Creationism, however, is a bad interpretation of scripture that attempts to distort reality through its own narrow lens. That it attempts to force the rest of the church to accept this is fundamentalism 101: "no-one else but us is a true Christian."

Maybe you should ask a few of the people at Theistic Evolution about how their faith squares up with evolution, instead of buying into all these lies.
 
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i appoligize that was uncalled for. but in all fairness evolution dosen't fit into genesis. nor does it take into acount that there are dinasors mentioned in the bible way before the first fossils of them were ever even thought of because they still walked the earth
 
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i appoligize that was uncalled for. but in all fairness evolution dosen't fit into genesis.

It's not meant to do. The stories of creation (there are 2 of them) are not meant to be factual accounts; they're meant to be symbolic meditations on God's creation, as well as being used by later redactors as a kind of prologue to the Torah. They are not meant to have any scientific content.

nor does it take into acount that there are dinasors mentioned in the bible way before the first fossils of them were ever even thought of because they still walked the earth

If you're refering to Leviathan and Behemoth, the idea that they were dinosaurs is only one possible interpretation. Personally, I think they were mythological creatures like the chimeara and the centaur; but they could be based on real creatures like the hippo or the crocodile.

Besides which, while it might mean a massive adjustment in the datelines, it wouldn't adversely affect the theory of evolution as such. The theory of evolution says that life evolves through a process of natural selection and random mutation; it doesn't prescribe the exact route that has to happen. If evidence were found that dinos and man co-existed, the theory would still survive.
 
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have you ever seen the trees that are fossilized through several layers of strata...if it is millions of years per layer how does that happen?

Creationist tactic 101:5

If a PRATT has been thoroughly discredited, introduce another PRATT.

Why don't you go and check the list of creationist claims at www.talkorigins.org? I'm sure it'll be there.
 
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aah but there is evidence outside of the bible, there are stones (ica stones) with carvings of men riding dinasors...not only that in texas there is a dig site with fosilized dino foot prints with human foot prints in them. they had to be fosilized at the same time
 
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the argumenmts of evolution can be explained away just as easy as creationism, they both require faith to believe in. one excepts God the other rejects him

Even if evolution were true it would not disprove God. All it would question is an overly wooden and literalistic reading of the creation account in Genesis. I was watching a programme by Richard Dawkins last Monday about the 'genius of Darwin'. The problem with his argument was that he was believing a mutually exclusive claim, either YEC is true or God does not exist. However, we need to recognise the limitations of science. When it comes to fossil records we move from science to history. That is we can see the facts but we need to explain them. Evolution is then a theory to explain the facts. Those facts don't prove evolution.

Genesis tells us that God created and its tells us why. It does not tell us how. Can science tell us how? I am not a scientist so could not comment, what I do know is that there is a lot of speculation.
 
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Oh, for goodness sake! Where are you getting this stuff from?

Not content with PRATTs, now you're posting hoaxes!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_stones





And you wonder why I say creationists tell lies...

And talk origins isn't an atheist site. It's run by working scientistists, of a wide variety of religious beliefs, including many Christians, all of whom are experts in the areas concerned with.
 
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that evidence was a little flimsy true, in fairness i should have looked a little deeper. but no where on there did it disprove them. but, on the other hand the evidence for evolution is much weeker. not only are we missing a link, but there would have to be thousands of fossil records filling gaps between even our closest "evolutionary ancestor" and we don't have any!!
 
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i know i have asked this before, but i will ask again...can you give me one piece of evidence that the earth is older than 6000 years that does not require that before the test is run that you make the assumption it is older than that
 
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the way i read it God created the earth in 6 days about 6000 years ago, about 4000 years ago there was a world wide flood, about 2000 years ago God walked the earth as man. the flood explains alot of things that an old earth and slow erosion does not
How do you know it was 6000yrs ago

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/localflood.html'

.....When you read an English translation of the biblical account of the flood, you will undoubtedly notice many words and verses that seem to suggest that the waters covered all of planet earth.3 However, one should note that today we look at everything from a global perspective, whereas the Bible nearly always refers to local geography. You may not be able to determine this fact from our English translations, so we will look at the original Hebrew, which is the word of God.

The Hebrew words which are translated as "whole earth" or "all the earth" are kol (Strong's number H3605), which means "all," and erets (Strong's number H776), which means "earth," "land," "country," or "ground."4 We don't need to look very far in Genesis (Genesis 2) before we find the Hebrew words kol erets............
 
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Further, you have not yet proven that the creation account is history.

That particular topic is not my objective here. I am simply seeking to understand the other side but have had very little luck getting a clear picture of it as everyone sems determined to try and debate me on the historicity of the account.


Noted, but I of course will have to disagree with your conclusions as you disagree with mine on the opposing view. As I keep saying this issue is NOT the final and conclusive proof for this matter.
 
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Goobye and thanks for the continued insults. Now please, I ask you to cease attempting to comminucate with me. It's an awfully simple request.
 
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