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By your response here, it appears you are either do not know how to reply to the verses I brought up or you are not even looking at what I had written with Scripture. For how do write off Scripture that says Jesus's sheep FOLLOW Him in John 10:27? How do you explain the points I made in Matthew 7?
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Ephesians 2:8 is talking about initial salvation; Also, Paul was addressing the heresy of Circumcision Salvationism and Salvation by works alone without any kind of Savior. In addition, even Jesus does the good work in you in the Sanctification process so you cannot hit your chest like King Kong and act like you are hot stuff. Works are a natural by product of abiding in Christ. However, Paul was not teaching a sin and still be saved doctrine. For one, in the beginning of Ephesians 2, Paul basically says that we used to be sinners as a part of our old life. Paul also essentially says elsewhere that if any man speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness, he is proud and knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4).
Also, life teaches us that good gifts come with responsibilities so as to keep or maintain them (Even in a relationship whereby you would consider a person to be a gift).
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Jason, just what part of can't be snatched from Jesus' hand can't you understand?
I have shown you on several occasions how you have taken the verses out of context or assigned other meaning and nuances to words to fit your false theology.
Your theology is about as anti-christian as one can get. Your theology tells people if they sin...they lose their salvation.
Your theology even dooms you...but you can't see it.
By your response here, it appears you are either do not know how to reply to the verses I brought up or you are not even looking at what I had written with Scripture. For how do write off Scripture that says Jesus's sheep FOLLOW Him in John 10:27? How do you explain the points I made in Matthew 7?
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Yes, I provided verses before to show folks here that a believer can forfeit their salvation. It is up to you to explain the verses I brought forth to show us that is not what they are talking about.
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That is your opinion.The problem lies with your reasoning, not the posts.
lol. Interesting how ALL of your examples have NO relevancy to the issue.No. Doing good means doing good. It has nothing to do with keeping the Law of Moses regardless of what is prescribed. If public school teacher gave a student a sticker for doing good, it wasn't because he kept the Law of Moses.
Are you trying to say that those who have faith never do bad things????Those who persist in doing good do so because they have faith. They are saved by grace, not by any works they have done.
Nonsense. It says the very same thing as 3:9. All are sinners.I agree with Rom 3:9 that all are under sin since original sin effects everyone. Rom 3:23 is hyperbole.
Not even close. Way off the reservation.My interpretation is consistent with all of scripture. That's not the case with your interpretation.
What a loaded question.Do you obey Biblical laws (legalism), or do you not obey Biblical laws (lawlessness)?
So, when King David, as a mature believer, gazed over at Bathsheba bathing, he still had all these pleasant thoughts in his head?A true believer does not even think about such things. Their heart is upon obeying and becoming more like Jesus throughout their whole life. We don't think about how much we can get away with, but rather, how much we can do for Him and please Him.
Peace be with you.Show me a verse that says believers can forfeit their salvation.
Because it's about reward for lifestyle obedience is why.Why isn't Galatians 6:7 about salvation?
Do you not know that the gifts of God are irrevocable? Rom 11:29 - for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.Do you not know corruption is damnation? Do you not know everlasting life is salvation?
For those who think the Bible has some "fine print" in it, consider the fine print here:All contracts, covenants have fine prints. Ignorance or failure to understand these fine prints can be costly.
What a loaded question.
So, when King David, as a mature believer, gazed over at Bathsheba bathing, he still had all these pleasant thoughts in his head?
Peace be with you.
1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the vine grower.
2 He takes away every branch in me that does not bear fruit, and everyone that does he prunes so that it bears more fruit.
3 You are already pruned because of the word that I spoke to you.
4 Remain in me, as I remain in you. Just as a branch cannot bear fruit on its own unless it remains on the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in me.
5 I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever remains in me and I in him will bear much fruit, because without me you can do nothing.
6 Anyone who does not remain in me will be thrown out like a branch and wither; people will gather them and throw them into a fire and they will be burned.
I'm not too fuss about man made junk like doctrines. Free will. If you think sin is fine for a Christian, it doesn't bother me one bit. If you think a sinner can enter Heaven as a Christian, be my guest and try. I even encourage you to interpret the Holy Scriptures however you want. You have free will. Do whatever you think best. Everyone seems to have the Holy Spirit these days.
I must say though that Jason0047 goes to great ends to point out the finer details of Salvation that annoy a lot of Christians using Scripture. I would actually encourage Christians to take him more seriously than just dismissing his views because his views are not agreeable to you.
All contracts, covenants have fine prints. Ignorance or failure to understand these fine prints can be costly.
God bless you.
Kinda like a baked potato I say. Be careful what you put in it.
Now, back to the question, "do you obey Biblical laws (legalism), or do you not obey Biblical laws (lawlessness)?"
If you can't or care not to answer, just say so.
A true believer's heart is upon obeying and becoming more like Jesus throughout their whole life. We don't think about how much we can get away with, but rather, how much we can do for Him and please Him.
Because it's about reward for lifestyle obedience is why.
Do you not know that the gifts of God are irrevocable? Rom 11:29 - for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
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