Against Calvinism

[Hammster]

Not convinced, btw he blogs here.

Your not convinced about Arminianism? Good.

 

[All Souls]

I'll accept Hammster's assessment.

I'll accept the assessment of Prof. Frederick Fyvie Bruce, FBA.

 

[Hammster]

Fester... The proof Calvinism is a spoof... I rest my case.

What???

 

[Fester]

NaPali don't get comfortable here. Your socks are in need of tossing out.

Things still haven't progressed?
Hmmm.

all good in da hood

 

[rockytopva]

all good in da hood

Especially when wez got men of God in da hood!

RW Schambach - What is a Man of God? (1 of 2) - YouTube

 

[Keachian]

Polemical discussion against Piper's translation of Edwards into contemporary theological discussion doesn't disprove Calvinism.

 

[Keachian]

Fester... The proof Calvinism is a spoof... I rest my case.

Poes don't make or break a theology.

 

[All Souls]

He isn't trying to disprove Calvinism, but explain why he cannot accept it.

 

[Keachian]

He isn't trying to disprove Calvinism, but explain why he cannot accept it.

People can't accept truth because they're sinners, nothing really new about that.

 

[All Souls]

People can't accept truth because they're sinners, nothing really new about that.

So Calvinism cannot be the truth then, since it has been accepted by you, a sinner. Come on, be serious!

 

[rockytopva]

Calvinism... The fruits....

I was brought up Baptist and also work with Baptists. I have Baptists that are good friends and Christians in the Lord. With a great many of them I have no problem with them as being eternally secure. They show the fruits of Christ and I would not imagine them ever turning aside from Christ to the things of the world.

My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you. - Galatians 4:19
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. - Matthew 10:22
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. - Matthew 24:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. - Mark 13:13
Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. - Revelation 16:15

And then there are the folk who have never had Christ fully born within the heart. These are unstable souls that I am not convinced of their eternal destiny. If they are not careful they will be caught with unclean garments and will spend time on earth during tribulation.

 

[Keachian]

So Calvinism cannot be the truth then, since it has been accepted by you, a sinner. Come on, be serious!

I'm being very serious, there are places where I am going to be wrong in my theology because I'm a sinner, yes, I just don't see this being one of them since all arguments I have seen against this theology are man centered not God centered, anthropologic rather than theologic.

 

[Keachian]

<snip of anecdotalism>

I know you're Wesleyan, but anecdotalism isn't really a valid form of theology.

 

[rockytopva]

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:9

 

[All Souls]

all arguments I have seen against this theology are man centered not God centered, anthropologic rather than theologic.

What books on Arminianism have you read written by Arminians?

 

[Keachian]

What books on Arminianism have you read written by Arminians?

I do more sermons than books, do you want to recommend me some books?

 

[All Souls]

Arminian Theology: Myths and Realities by Roger E. Olson.

Young, Restless, No Longer Reformed by Austin Fischer

 

[drstevej]

What books on Arminianism have you read written by Arminians?

The Works of James Arminius

 

[drstevej]

Arminian Theology: Myths and Realities by Roger E. Olson.

From a review:

Much of the time Olson outlines the myths that Calvinists or critics of Arminianism ostensibly hold to without providing any documentation for the charge: see pages 9, 10, 12, 15, 14, 19, 20, 21, 26, 29, 30, 33, 46, 55, 80, 81, 82, 93, 95, 115, 116, 151, 201, 206, 220.

The chapter title for "Myth 9" is "Arminian Theology Denies Justification by Grace Alone Through Faith Alone." But the critic that Olson cites to open the chapter actually critiques Arminians for denying the imputation of Christ's righteousness (200). Olson is able to demonstrate that Arminius did hold to imputed righteousness, but he is forced to concede that many of the Arminians whose views he had been tracing through the book were either unclear or actually did deny the imputation of Christ's righteousness (208, 214, 216-19). Furthermore the only contemporary examples Olson could cite of Arminians who clearly accepted the imputation of Christ's righteousness actually reject the label Arminian. It seems hardly fair to chastise Calvinists for perpetuating a myth when the "myth" is actually believed by a fair number of representative Arminians.

 

[Keachian]

Arminian Theology: Myths and Realities by Roger E. Olson.

Young, Restless, No Longer Reformed by Austin Fischer

Just going off the Blurb reviews, there seems to be a misunderstanding of Calvinism, but thanks anyway.