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mhatten said:The EEOC has observed an increasing number of color discrimination charges. Color bias filings have increased by 125% since the mid-1990s, from 413 in FY 1994 to 932 in FY 2004.
mhatten said:That is a lot of imaginary discrimination.
Trogdor the Burninator said:
I dont think that anyone here is contending that there is no discrimination, only that AA is the wrong solution to solve it.
Given that AA has been around for quite some time now, the figures quoted above would appear to show that it has been an abject failure in changing behaviour, and that a new approach is needed.
Marek said:players/staff
Neverstop said:Let's say he got it through ______ means. How is that microscopic example possibly relevant?
Lifesaver said:Affirmative action is a terrible thing. It forces universities and companies to accept people not based on any trait they value (merit, result, history, experience, personality, etc) but on an imposed arbitrary trait such as sex, skin colour, etc.
They spring from perceived statistical inequalities to propose the enforcemente of all kinds of impositions and measures of "social justice", which are nothing more than helping some at the expense of all others. So, for instance, if it is shown that blacks occupy fewer jobs of such characteristic than is their percentage in the population, companies should be forced to hire blacks as opposed to other candidates so that the statistics equalize.
This is ridiculous and unjust. Soon enough someone will prove that the percentage of top executives with no little toe on their left foot is smaller than the percentage of these men in the general population, and thus companies should favour applicants who lack their little toe.
Firms that don't make the best choices of employees are hurt in their profits; likewise, firms which make good decisions reap higher profits. The market already provides the system of reward and punishment to those managers who put their own arbitrary preferences of gender and skin colour over the company.
Every single individual is unique; no two persons are identical, though each shares many characteristics with many others. Gender, skin colour, kind of hair, eyes, head size, height, number of toes, etc, to name just some of the physical characteristics that vary among men.
To force someone to favour the posessors of this or that characteristic is absurd, immoral and harmful for society as a whole.
The best weapon against unjust prejudice of all kinds is information. With the spread of knowledge, old false opinions are discarded in favour of more reliable ones. To force companies and universities to hire and enroll contrary to their present best judgement is a great blunder.
Afterall, what if there are indeed differences between the sexes, as many studies have been showing? This is the kind of question that proponents of affirmative action want to deny at all costs, preferring imposition and coercion rather than information.
Neverstop said:Prove it with concrete examples.
Confession: I USED to be anti-AA...until I actually got off my self-righteous pedestal and started doing some actual WORK by reading, researching, and talking w/ people. I had to let the facts create my position, not the converse. It was a hard process for me, but it was well worth it.
If the former is true the latter is irrelevant.
Neverstop said:Confession: I USED to be anti-AA...until I actually got off my self-righteous pedestal and started doing some actual WORK by reading, researching, and talking w/ people. I had to let the facts create my position, not the converse. It was a hard process for me, but it was well worth it.
jgarden said:If affirmative action is to be replaced, what other practical mechanisms exist to level the playing field for poorer minority groups. the long term consequences include creating a growing population of alienated citizens who have no commitment to the nation.
Going back to a simple, transparent anti-discrimination policy, backed up by laws to prosecute companies guilty of discriminatory hiring practises would be a start
Trogdor the Burninator said:Going back to a simple, transparent anti-discrimination policy, backed up by laws to prosecute companies guilty of discriminatory hiring practises would be a start. Putting more money into education, especially into underfunded schools in poor areas would go a long way too.
BrownCoat said:Is using racist decisions a bad criteria for hiring someone? Certainly. Does it make it a bad business decision? Yes. Am I entitled to make bad business decisions? Absolutely.
BrownCoat said:Is using racist decisions a bad criteria for hiring someone? Certainly. Does it make it a bad business decision? Yes. Am I entitled to make bad business decisions? Absolutely.
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