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Right. My mother didn't think anything bad would happen to me either - better to be safe than sorry.My husband and I also do plan to be very careful when we have kids and contact they have with my parents, I don't think anything bad would happen, but why risk it right?
My father is not the senior pastor, no. Just the worship pastor and the church he ministers in is a First Assembly of God/Pentecostal, if this answers your question properlyI take it your dad is NOT the senior pastor?
Is that congregation independent or part of a denomination?
My father is not the senior pastor, no. Just the worship pastor and the church he ministers in is a First Assembly of God/Pentecostal, if this answers your question properly
OK that is good.My father is not the senior pastor, no. Just the worship pastor and the church he ministers in is a First Assembly of God/Pentecostal, if this answers your question properly
Advice On Abusive Pastors?
Sorry if it's a little too long and emotional, I've been struggling hardcore with my family abuse. The people on topic are in fact my parents.
COLOSSIANS.3:18-21 = The Christian HomeAdvice on Disobedient/Rebellious Sons?
I had no idea where to put this and felt this might be the best place, given what it's directed at? If not, I'm more than happy to move it to where it needs to be! Sorry if it's a little too long and emotional, I've been struggling hardcore with my family abuse.
The people on topic are in fact my parents. My father is the full-time paid worship pastor at my church and my mother volunteers with vocals occasionally, but also helps with the treasury, "secretary" work and with the kids (occasionally as well). I believe they love God and they love their ministry...but knowing what I've grown up with and seeing the life behind our home's closed door that is still ongoing, makes me question if they should be in ministry. They have for the past 4 years that I can remember and is still ongoing, treated my brother and I (though I am newly married now) with emotional abuse and verbal abuse, with physical abuse on very rare occasions. Most of the issue lies with our mother, but our father plays his part just as much, however he's also more of the back up for mother usually. Mother has told my brother "don't be a douche" when our children's minister took something he said sarcastically which was totally not the case, and this was in our parents office in the church with door wide open, while the CP was present. The CP himself even told my brother "it's just what parent's do" and shrugged it off, he doesn't even have kids himself. My mother has mocked a "maybe I'd be better off dead" comment I've made when she knows I've attempted and almost got close to it again the same night. I'm not sure how my brother is, but I know I'm majorly terrified of them and any conflict and have anxiety attacks and emotional breakdowns, since they've gotten to the point of just sarcastically laughing at us during any fights. And mother swears all the time at home, more so during fights. They show no fruits of the spirit at home but kinda do at church or in public only, never pray together anymore or have any family time really, no devotions...nothing. It's like they stopped caring and hate us anymore with how we're treated, yet have compassion for others with bad struggles and abusive families.
I've been praying about it because the more I've done research on abuse and scriptures about it, the more I'm terribly bothered by this and so is my husband. More so because they've never been held accountable as pastors that actively participate in this vile behavior and God detests abuse in any form so much, and they've been in music ministry for 9 years at 3 different churches might I add. We're all sinners this is true, and while maybe it's my view, I don't think you should be in ministry yet actively do awful things that could ruin your child's walk and overall health. How can you expect to feed and minister to your church and outside of it, if you can't even do it at home with your kids? They put off a very interesting mask to church family that is very much a fake persona. We've never felt God in their house when fought fight and never feel him with them at all, he felt farther away than ever and like there was just oppression and stuff creeping in instead. And I fear my brother is questioning God somewhat too...I know I struggled given what we've been taught in church yet never correlating with what we lived with at home. I'm going to keep in prayer with my husband and meditate on scriptures for wisdom and even keep ear for what I should/or shouldn't do, as Satan has me in a bind and I'm trying to not let this taint my feelings toward the church overall. He's made his play very well I must say. But advice from other ministers and seasoned Christians would be highly appreciated as well! And if possible, please keep them and the church in your prayers...this has me very concerned and worried, not just for the church and them as pastors there, but over their souls and where they're at as well as my poor little brother who's only near 16. Thanks!
Edit: I will add that I am contemplating writing a letter to them, however I am unsure and feel this would possibly be unwise to do. As it could provoke anger in them, even when written with no disrespect and coming from a point of concern and love, of which I do not want nor wish over them but rather for peace and that it leads to betterment of them and healing between us all.
Dear West,I had no idea where to put this and felt this might be the best place, given what it's directed at? If not, I'm more than happy to move it to where it needs to be! Sorry if it's a little too long and emotional, I've been struggling hardcore with my family abuse.
The people on topic are in fact my parents. My father is the full-time paid worship pastor at my church and my mother volunteers with vocals occasionally, but also helps with the treasury, "secretary" work and with the kids (occasionally as well). I believe they love God and they love their ministry...but knowing what I've grown up with and seeing the life behind our home's closed door that is still ongoing, makes me question if they should be in ministry. They have for the past 4 years that I can remember and is still ongoing, treated my brother and I (though I am newly married now) with emotional abuse and verbal abuse, with physical abuse on very rare occasions. Most of the issue lies with our mother, but our father plays his part just as much, however he's also more of the back up for mother usually. Mother has told my brother "don't be a douche" when our children's minister took something he said sarcastically which was totally not the case, and this was in our parents office in the church with door wide open, while the CP was present. The CP himself even told my brother "it's just what parent's do" and shrugged it off, he doesn't even have kids himself. My mother has mocked a "maybe I'd be better off dead" comment I've made when she knows I've attempted and almost got close to it again the same night. I'm not sure how my brother is, but I know I'm majorly terrified of them and any conflict and have anxiety attacks and emotional breakdowns, since they've gotten to the point of just sarcastically laughing at us during any fights. And mother swears all the time at home, more so during fights. They show no fruits of the spirit at home but kinda do at church or in public only, never pray together anymore or have any family time really, no devotions...nothing. It's like they stopped caring and hate us anymore with how we're treated, yet have compassion for others with bad struggles and abusive families.
I've been praying about it because the more I've done research on abuse and scriptures about it, the more I'm terribly bothered by this and so is my husband. More so because they've never been held accountable as pastors that actively participate in this vile behavior and God detests abuse in any form so much, and they've been in music ministry for 9 years at 3 different churches might I add. We're all sinners this is true, and while maybe it's my view, I don't think you should be in ministry yet actively do awful things that could ruin your child's walk and overall health. How can you expect to feed and minister to your church and outside of it, if you can't even do it at home with your kids? They put off a very interesting mask to church family that is very much a fake persona. We've never felt God in their house when fought fight and never feel him with them at all, he felt farther away than ever and like there was just oppression and stuff creeping in instead. And I fear my brother is questioning God somewhat too...I know I struggled given what we've been taught in church yet never correlating with what we lived with at home. I'm going to keep in prayer with my husband and meditate on scriptures for wisdom and even keep ear for what I should/or shouldn't do, as Satan has me in a bind and I'm trying to not let this taint my feelings toward the church overall. He's made his play very well I must say. But advice from other ministers and seasoned Christians would be highly appreciated as well! And if possible, please keep them and the church in your prayers...this has me very concerned and worried, not just for the church and them as pastors there, but over their souls and where they're at as well as my poor little brother who's only near 16. Thanks!
Edit: I will add that I am contemplating writing a letter to them, however I am unsure and feel this would possibly be unwise to do. As it could provoke anger in them, even when written with no disrespect and coming from a point of concern and love, of which I do not want nor wish over them but rather for peace and that it leads to betterment of them and healing between us all.
There have been many good answers. I just want to point out that abuse is systemic. In other words, many who are attracted to professional clergy want power and authority over other people. This is true in politics, too. Lord Acton said that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The system encourages a works mentality as well. James says that if we break one of the commandments we have broken them all. The world says, if we do one good thing right, that covers all the wrongs we have committed. This is the heart of the works mentality in self justification. Followers of Christ understand that we can do nothing in our own strength so we rely on His strength to carry us. Therefore we have nothing to boast about since we accept that we are total failures and any good we have done is because of Him. A follower of Christ does not try to change others, but rather point others to Christ. Telling others what they should do is also part of that works mentality. It says, since I judge myself right by my works, others are only right if they do things my way, too.The people on topic are in fact my parents. My father is the full-time paid worship pastor at my church and my mother volunteers with vocals occasionally, but also helps with the treasury, "secretary" work and with the kids (occasionally as well).
Westtmd, I am sorry for your pain.. I wonder if what hurts and traumatizes you the most is that your parents lived a hypocratic double life, and nobody knew. They looked perfect on the outside, but on the inside, they were completely different. They treated the church people with careful and controlled intent, but they were not able to do that with you,their child, and instead, abused you.. That is great pain there...I had no idea where to put this and felt this might be the best place, given what it's directed at? If not, I'm more than happy to move it to where it needs to be! Sorry if it's a little too long and emotional, I've been struggling hardcore with my family abuse.
The people on topic are in fact my parents. My father is the full-time paid worship pastor at my church and my mother volunteers with vocals occasionally, but also helps with the treasury, "secretary" work and with the kids (occasionally as well). I believe they love God and they love their ministry...but knowing what I've grown up with and seeing the life behind our home's closed door that is still ongoing, makes me question if they should be in ministry. They have for the past 4 years that I can remember and is still ongoing, treated my brother and I (though I am newly married now) with emotional abuse and verbal abuse, with physical abuse on very rare occasions. Most of the issue lies with our mother, but our father plays his part just as much, however he's also more of the back up for mother usually. Mother has told my brother "don't be a douche" when our children's minister took something he said sarcastically which was totally not the case, and this was in our parents office in the church with door wide open, while the CP was present. The CP himself even told my brother "it's just what parent's do" and shrugged it off, he doesn't even have kids himself. My mother has mocked a "maybe I'd be better off dead" comment I've made when she knows I've attempted and almost got close to it again the same night. I'm not sure how my brother is, but I know I'm majorly terrified of them and any conflict and have anxiety attacks and emotional breakdowns, since they've gotten to the point of just sarcastically laughing at us during any fights. And mother swears all the time at home, more so during fights. They show no fruits of the spirit at home but kinda do at church or in public only, never pray together anymore or have any family time really, no devotions...nothing. It's like they stopped caring and hate us anymore with how we're treated, yet have compassion for others with bad struggles and abusive families.
I've been praying about it because the more I've done research on abuse and scriptures about it, the more I'm terribly bothered by this and so is my husband. More so because they've never been held accountable as pastors that actively participate in this vile behavior and God detests abuse in any form so much, and they've been in music ministry for 9 years at 3 different churches might I add. We're all sinners this is true, and while maybe it's my view, I don't think you should be in ministry yet actively do awful things that could ruin your child's walk and overall health. How can you expect to feed and minister to your church and outside of it, if you can't even do it at home with your kids? They put off a very interesting mask to church family that is very much a fake persona. We've never felt God in their house when fought fight and never feel him with them at all, he felt farther away than ever and like there was just oppression and stuff creeping in instead. And I fear my brother is questioning God somewhat too...I know I struggled given what we've been taught in church yet never correlating with what we lived with at home. I'm going to keep in prayer with my husband and meditate on scriptures for wisdom and even keep ear for what I should/or shouldn't do, as Satan has me in a bind and I'm trying to not let this taint my feelings toward the church overall. He's made his play very well I must say. But advice from other ministers and seasoned Christians would be highly appreciated as well! And if possible, please keep them and the church in your prayers...this has me very concerned and worried, not just for the church and them as pastors there, but over their souls and where they're at as well as my poor little brother who's only near 16. Thanks!
Edit: I will add that I am contemplating writing a letter to them, however I am unsure and feel this would possibly be unwise to do. As it could provoke anger in them, even when written with no disrespect and coming from a point of concern and love, of which I do not want nor wish over them but rather for peace and that it leads to betterment of them and healing between us all.
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