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Fact: Carbon dating is flawed.
Fact: There is other evidence that would seem to point to an old Earth, but no proof either way.
A quote I like on the matter: "When we know that scientifically the universe required billions of years to evolve naturally, yet G-d created it in 6 days, we are all the more in awe of our Creator." - Rabbi Tzvi Shapiro
 
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...I heard that process used to date fossils to be millions of years old is flawed and in actuality they are thousands of years old, supporting the biblical age of the Earth. I heard that by accepting the Earth is billions of years old is twisting of the scriptures,
It's a fact that you'll hear lots of otherwise intelligent people saying stuff about things they don't know anything about.

I'm very confused by this particular issue. I know the Bible doesn't say that the age of the Earth is an issue that is sinful, but it's really bothering me.
Don't sweat it. You know that the bible isn't intended to be a science text, so don't try to use it as one. God's not going to be upset with an honest investigation of the truth, so take the time you need to learn about these things from people who actually understand them. Nature is a part of God's revelation, so if good science points to an old earth (which it does) then you can be confident that it doesn't contradict scripture. Remember what Cardinal Bellarmine said during the Galileo affair:
"If there were a real proof that the Sun is in the centre of the universe, that the Earth is in the third sphere, and that the Sun does not go round the Earth but the Earth round the Sun, then we should have to proceed with great circumspection in explaining passages of Scripture which appear to teach the contrary, and we should rather have to say that we did not understand them than declare an opinion to be false which is proved to be true."​
It's good advice that can be applied to any controversy on a matter of science.
 
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Seek to Love God and Jesus with all your heart and increase your Faith in Jesus and God. Dont mind what other people say, if an opportunity arises where you can part some words of wisdom, do so lovingly. Pray and ask Jesus and God to guide your words to please God and Jesus because at the end of the day pleasing and loving God and Jesus is more important then pleasing man. But by doing so you will love all Gods creatures. I wrote a forum topic about faith in Jesus and God and wisdom of the bible, if you wanna read it:

sevenamen.com/forumlink/christianity-forum/the-importance-of-faith-in-christ-and-god-454

sevenamen.com/forumlink/christianity-forum/the-bible-holds-wisdom-453
 
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would an audio bible help? I find myself able to retain knowledge when i listen to something instead of reading it. I will also read the bible, but would the addition of an audio bible help? Also what versions are best TNIV, NIV, KJV, etc?
 
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would an audio bible help? I find myself able to retain knowledge when i listen to something instead of reading it. I will also read the bible, but would the addition of an audio bible help?

It does for me. In fact, while I often "study" a word, verse, or passage from the Bible, I never "read through" it anymore. For that I use dramatized, orchestrated, multi-voiced CD's that I can run or walk with, or listen to in the car. I, like you, am aurally attuned.

I sometimes hear things in a different way than I read them, so I also keep pen and paper close by to write down things from my hearing of the Word that I want to take a closer look at later.

I like to listen to the NIV 1984. It is a good combination of listenable/readable and is fairly accurate for a paraphrase.

Yours and His,
David
 
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amazon.com/NIV-Audio-Bible-Dramatized-CD/dp/0310918634/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345258136&sr=8-1&keywords=niv+audio+bible

i was thinking of this. is this ok?

Yeah. I think you'll LOVE it .. :)
 
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brandino3 said in post 11:

I can't remember all of the claims against Christianity so i will just post a few that come to mind:
1. Noah's Ark couldn't hold all of those animals

Noah could have collected onto the ark only land animals and birds (Gen. 7:8). Land plants, insects, and fungi could have survived the Flood on their own as seeds, eggs, and spores. God must have miraculously brought breeding pairs of the world's land animals and birds to Noah, and then miraculously redistributed them around the world after the Flood.

Noah's ark was huge (Gen. 6:15), and so it could have stored sufficient amounts of fodder for the herbivores, and, for example, breeding rabbits for the carnivores. The carnivores could have been separated from each other and from the herbivores by wooden barriers. Or, if it was only after Noah's flood that God sanctioned the eating of meat (Gen. 9:3), during Noah's flood God could have miraculously made it so that all the animals on the ark lived as herbivores, just as at the Neolithic creation 12,000 years ago, God miraculously made it so that all animals, including man, started out living as herbivores (Gen. 1:29-30), and just as in the future, on the new earth, God will miraculously make it so that all animals will live as herbivores (Isa. 65:17,25).

2. Evolution is a scientific fact

Evolution per se (random mutation and survival of the fittest) doesn't have to contradict creationism. Instead, it can coexist with creationism, just as an automated process created by a human (e.g. a computer program which makes random, colorful pictures which can be seen as art) can coexist with that human sometimes performing a task himself, directly (painting some pictures by hand). That is, evolution per se can simply be a process created by God to allow new, adaptive species to arise naturally over time, and this process can coexist with God sometimes creating new species himself, directly, i.e. miraculously, whenever he wants to (cf. punctuated equilibria).

Creationism includes what could be called the double-gap theory, meaning that there could have been two different gaps of time in Gen. chs. 1-2, the first gap between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2, and the second gap between Gen. 2:4 and 2:5. Gen. 1:1 could have occurred some 4.5 billion years ago, when God first created the planet earth and its atmosphere (the first heaven, in which the birds fly: Gen. 1:20b). Between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2, some 4.5 billion years could have occurred, in which God could have allowed his own created process of evolution to serve as a mechanism by which new species arose on the earth. During those same 4.5 billion years, God could have also sometimes gone outside of evolution and created new species miraculously, whenever he wanted to.

Gen. 1:2 could refer to the condition of the earth only about 12,000 years ago (at the end of the Paleolithic period), after some cataclysm, such as a comet strike, had killed off all life on the planet (both evolved and miraculously created), and had submerged all land areas in water (comets contain huge amounts of water), and had ruined the atmosphere. The impact of the comet could have also knocked the earth out of its orbit around its original star, so that the earth was sent hurtling into the darkness of interstellar space, as a "rogue planet" (astronomers estimate that rogue planets in our galaxy could outnumber the stars in our galaxy). Gen. 1:3-2:4 could then refer to God, over a period of six literal, 24-hour days (some 12,000 years ago, at the start of the Neolithic period), miraculously restoring to the earth light, a good atmosphere, dry land, and life, including a race of male and female homo sapiens sapiens, after God had miraculously restored land plants (Gen. 1:11-13) and land animals (Gen. 1:24-25) to the earth.

Then, only about 6,000 years ago, God miraculously created on the earth an individual male homo sapiens sapiens named Adam in an uninhabited desert land (Gen. 2:5-7; there, the original Hebrew word translated as "earth" can simply refer to a certain "land": e.g. Gen. 2:11). After that, God planted the plants of the local, Garden of Eden in that desert land (Gen. 2:8-9) and God placed Adam in that garden (Gen. 2:15). After that, God miraculously created the animals of the Garden of Eden (Gen. 2:19). After that, God miraculously created in the Garden of Eden an individual female homo sapiens sapiens (Gen. 2:22) whom Adam named Eve (Gen. 3:20).

Because Adam was created only about 6,000 years ago, but there are homo sapiens sapiens fossils said to be as old as about 200,000 years, God could have first created homo sapiens sapiens (or it could have evolved by God's created process of evolution) as far back as about 200,000 years. Also, all the different hominid forms the fossils of which long predate or are as old as the earliest fossils of homo sapiens sapiens, and which preceding or coexisting hominid forms we don't consider to have been fully human like us (such as homo sapiens neanderthalensis), could have all been created by God (or could have evolved by God's created process of evolution) over millions of years prior to the first appearance of homo sapiens sapiens on the earth.

3. Homosexuality has been proven to be genetic

Even if it could be, so could be alcoholism, criminal violence, and schizophrenia. Human genes in their current, fallen, corrupted state have nothing to do with proving what is moral or what is good mental health.
 
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brandino3 said in post 11:

I can't remember all of the claims against Christianity so i will just post a few that come to mind: . . .

4. The Big Bang is a fact

Questioned by some cosmologists, and not for any religious reasons. Also, the Big Bang doesn't contradict creationism, for God could have created the Big Bang singularity, the existence of which science has no proven explanation.

5. The Bible has many contradictions

It doesn't have any.

6. How do you know God is the real god and not Allah, Buddah, etc.

Only by God's miraculous gift of Christian faith.

Everyone on his own is wholly corrupt (Rom. 3:9-12), & so it's impossible for people on their own to ever believe in Jesus & the gospel & be initially saved (1 Cor. 15:1-4, Jn. 20:31, 1 Jn. 5:13) through their own will (Rom. 9:16, Jn. 1:13, 6:65) or through their own intellect (1 Cor. 1:18-2:16). Unsaved people can't possibly understand the gospel (1 Cor. 2:14, 1:18) because only initially saved people, who've received the miraculous gift of some measure of God's own Spirit, can understand it (1 Cor. 2:11-16). The nonelect can't possibly ever believe in Jesus & the gospel & be initially saved, even when they're shown the truth (Jn. 8:42-47, 10:26, Mt. 13:38-42), for the ability to believe in Jesus & the gospel comes only to the elect (Acts 13:48b) wholly by God's grace as a miraculous gift from God (Eph. 2:8, Jn. 6:65, 1 Cor. 3:5b, Rom. 12:3b, Heb. 12:2) as the elect read (or hear) God's Word the Bible (Rom. 10:17, Acts 13:48, 26:22-23), just as the ability to repent comes only as a miraculous gift from God (2 Tim. 2:25, Acts 11:18). Satan blinds the minds of unbelievers so that on their own they can't repent & acknowledge the truth of God's Word (2 Cor. 4:4, 2 Tim. 2:25-26).

The elect are those individuals who were chosen (elected) & predestinated by God before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4-11, 2 Thes. 2:13), before they were born (Rom. 9:11-24), to become initially saved at some point during their lifetime (Acts 13:48b). This initial salvation is possible only because of Jesus' sacrifice (Rom. 3:25-26), which was also foreordained by God before the foundation of the world (Rev. 13:8, 1 Pet. 1:19-20).

7.Christianity copied other religions

There's no proof of that. Any similarities could be Satanic counterfeits created (whether before Christianity existed or after it) in an attempt to distract people from Christianity.

8. The world is billions of years old but the Bible says it's only a few thousand

The Bible doesn't require that the earth is only 6,000 years old (as is mistakenly claimed by some Christians). All it requires is that Adam was created about 6,000 years ago. For various scriptures make it possible to estimate the year B.C. that Adam (as opposed to the earth) was created, by working back from the year B.C. that Solomon's temple began to be built. Historians say that it began to be built about 966 B.C. And the scriptures show that it began to be built 480 years after Israel's Exodus from Egypt (1 Kin. 6:1). And Israel had spent 430 years in Egypt before the Exodus (Ex. 12:40-41). And Israel entered Egypt when Jacob was 130 (Gen. 47:9). And Jacob was born when his father Isaac was 60 (Gen. 25:26). And Isaac was born when his father Abraham was 100 (Gen. 21:5). And Abraham was born when his father Terah was about 70 (Gen. 11:26). And Terah was born when his father Nahor was 29 (Gen. 11:24). And Nahor was born when his father Serug was 30 (Gen. 11:22). And Serug was born when his father Reu was 32 (Gen. 11:20). And Reu was born when his father Peleg was 30 (Gen. 11:18).

And Peleg was born when his father Eber was 34 (Gen. 11:16). And Eber was born when his father Salah was 30 (Gen. 11:14). And Salah was born when his father Arphaxad was 35 (Gen. 11:12). And Arphaxad was born when his father Shem was 100 (Gen. 11:10). And Shem was born when his father Noah was 502 (Gen. 11:10 & 7:6). And Noah was born when his father Lamech was 182 (Gen. 5:28-29). And Lamech was born when his father Methuselah was 187 (Gen. 5:25). And Methuselah was born when his father Enoch was 65 (Gen. 5:21). And Enoch was born when his father Jared was 162 (Gen. 5:18). And Jared was born when his father Mahalaleel was 65 (Gen. 5:15). And Mahalaleel was born when his father Cainan was 70 (Gen. 5:12). And Cainan was born when his father Enos was 90 (Gen. 5:9). And Enos was born when his father Seth was 105 (Gen. 5:6). And Seth was born when his father Adam was 130 (Gen. 5:3).

Adding up the numbers of years above, we see that Adam was created about 4114 B.C. This lines up with the fact that our current human civilization began about 4000 B.C. If Adam was created about 4114 B.C., this means that 6,000 years since Adam's creation were completed back at the end of about 1886 A.D., and that the 7th millennium began about 1887 A.D. (But this doesn't require that the millennium of Rev. 20:4-6 has begun yet.) Also, it's curious that the next year (1888 A.D.) Blavatsky published her book (The Secret Doctrine) referring to the "New Age". Also, it's curious that the Mayan calendar begins in 3114 B.C., exactly 1,000 years after 4114 B.C. Also, the numbers of years in the scriptures referenced above show that Abraham (who was first promised the land of Israel by God: Ex. 32:13) was born about 1948 years after Adam's creation, just as the modern state of Israel was established in 1948 A.D.
 
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