ADVENTIST MODS....please cometh!

[happywiththelord]

I say completely do away with the dicussion and debate forum. Delete it. We no longer need it. we can talk amongst ourselves without having a debate area. all of us here agree and go along with the fundamental 27/28 doctrines of the sda church. so there is no need for the debate forum anymore. that was only started because of the progs.

 

[JonMiller]

We didn't remove them. They wanted to leave themselves.

You seek to remove any place where I and others can speak, as I have been told that I am not welcome speaking here (inside this forum). I just felt that I should represent myself in the discussion.

JM

 

[mva1985]

I say completely do away with the dicussion and debate forum. Delete it. We no longer need it. we can talk amongst ourselves without having a debate area. all of us here agree and go along with the fundamental 27/28 doctrines of the sda church. so there is no need for the debate forum anymore. that was only started because of the progs.

Happy would it still be necessary for visitors to the forum?

 

[mva1985]

You seek to remove any place where I and others can speak, as I have been told that I am not welcome speaking here (inside this forum). I just felt that I should represent myself in the discussion.

JM

Jon,

While some may feel the we made the atmosphere here so uncomfortable to push them out. This is not the case. Just recently they changed their FSGlines so that the trads could not really post there, and then within about a week or so after that they are gone to a forum of their own.

Which is what they wanted. I do miss them however and will visit.

 

[happywiththelord]

Happy would it still be necessary for visitors to the forum?

i wouldnt think so.

they are coming here to ask us questions about what we believe. once we answer them, then it should be over, so to speak. unless they have another question.

it's like if i went over to the catholic forum ( just picking one, it could be any of the forums here on cf) and asked them a question about there theology. Once they answer it, i simply say thank you, and leave. its that simple. i have done it that way lots of times and it works great! no arguing, no discussing to prove anybody is wrong, just a simple answer and it is over.

 

[TrustAndObey]

You seek to remove any place where I and others can speak, as I have been told that I am not welcome speaking here (inside this forum). I just felt that I should represent myself in the discussion.

JM

Jon, being reported for debating in a non-debate area was in no way a message of "you are not welcome here". That just simply isn't true. You ARE welcome here.

Over the years, the hardest part about all this has been that what CF has labelled as "Traditional Adventists" are those that uphold the official teachings of the Seventh-day Adventist church.

So in D&D we (a Trad) could start a post about say....Sabbath...and the rash of comments following the OP were usually debative views from other people in the SAME church...even though it's called the Seventh-day Adventist church for a reason.

I don't know of any other forum that has had the amount of problems that we have, but it's over now and I'd like to enjoy what we've got!

Hey all....we're the only forum here on CF that now has an "Anti" or "Former" forum using the same name.

I don't see a "Former Catholic" forum or a "Former Baptist" forum.

There are some things in this life that you don't have to say, others speak for you and get the message out even better than you could've yourself.

But I do still feel harassed in here, even with the new forum, and I do think we should try to make some changes for some peace.

The basic message was that they needed to get away from us and our intolerant views. The "intolerant views" as they call them are the official doctrine of our church!

So they got what they wanted....why are we still having to defend our church now exactly?

 

[sentipente]

Jon, being reported for debating in a non-debate area was in no way a message of "you are not welcome here". That just simply isn't true. You ARE welcome here.

Over the years, the hardest part about all this has been that what CF has labelled as "Traditional Adventists" are those that uphold the official teachings of the Seventh-day Adventist church.

On a point of correction. Jon was not referring to the non-debate area. He was referring to the comments made about the Debate area. Second, CF never established a Traditional Adventist forum so there was never any CF attempt to define a traditional Adventist. Ask those who were involved in the efforts to get this forum started.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Sentipente, you KNOW I can't see a word you say. Why do you keep trying?

 

[TrustAndObey]

That was a rhetorical question by the way.

 

[honorthesabbath]

I'm all for dumping the D&D area too and also the 'trad' area since it is no longer needed. It was only formed in the first place to give us a safe haven away from the harassment of the offenders, so yes, dump the trad area too.

RED--if we do get to dump the trad area--could you place PaleHorse's stickies into the main forum before that would happen? Thanks.

This forum now is what it should have always been, the representative of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

 

[reddogs]

I'm all for dumping the D&D area too and also the 'trad' area since it is no longer needed. It was only formed in the first place to give us a safe haven away from the harassment of the offenders, so yes, dump the trad area too.

RED--if we do get to dump the trad area--could you place PaleHorse's stickies into the main forum before that would happen? Thanks.

This forum now is what it should have always been, the representative of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

Yes, we can move those, and we are talking about it at the Mod/Admin level so go over what you would like to see and lets see if we can make it happen.....

 

[JonMiller]

The "intolerant views" as they call them are the official doctrine of our church!

So they got what they wanted....why are we still having to defend our church now exactly?

Not always. They are your views on the official doctrines of the SDA church. They aren't the views of the SDA church as a whole, as seen by it's membership. They are the views of a fraction of the SDA church.

This is the central issue.

Jon Miller

 

[TrustAndObey]

Not always. They are your views on the official doctrines of the SDA church. They aren't the views of the SDA church as a whole, as seen by it's membership. They are the views of a fraction of the SDA church.

This is the central issue.

Jon Miller

Jon, the Adventist church took the time to type up and agree on a Statement of Faith.

They also agreed upon what they would officially uphold and teach.

I cannot help it if people stay in a church that they do not agree with.

The sad reality is that our guests were coming in and suggesting that people leave the church because it doesn't make sense to them either!

Some things within the Adventist church are NEVER going to change. And frankly, when I start seeing the type of compromise that some here seem to want, I'd be out of it in a heartbeat.

I joined the church as a fully-informed grown woman!

If someone stays in a church that teaches the importance of the commandments on God's people when they personally do not agree with it...is that the church's fault or the person's fault?

This is exactly why we want some peace in here. I'm sorry if that's making so many people upset, but that's pretty telling in my opinion.

Jon, I've known you a long time and you seem like a reasonable fellow....so please tell me why so many people asked for their own forum and yet still come in here to harass us?

 

[JonMiller]

There are some 'troublemakers' in both camps. Additionally, I would be fine with restricting nonAdventists to a debate forum, you seem to favor restricting debate between nonAdventists and Adventists to general theology.

But people like Nighteternal, Sentripente, and Stormy One, should all have a right to post here. Just as they have a right to vote for church office.

Their voices are a minority here, isn't that what you want?

Jon Miller
(I think the move of progressive out of the seventhday adventist forums was a mistake, notice that I didn't follow)

 

[TrustAndObey]

There are some 'troublemakers' in both camps. Additionally, I would be fine with restricting nonAdventists to a debate forum, you seem to favor restricting debate between nonAdventists and Adventists to general theology.

Jon, have you seen the conversations about the new forum? Some were adamant that we (SDA) be locked out of the new forum entirely. Why are you making this about us? We just want some peace.

But people like Nighteternal, Sentripente, and Stormy One, should all have a right to post here. Just as they have a right to vote for church office.

So you think they should be able to post here but we shouldn't be allowed to post there? That's okay with you?

Their voices are a minority here, isn't that what you want?

LOL! Have you SEEN the thread in WWMC saying they were being persecuted and THEY wanted their own forum? No, that isn't what I wanted, it's what THEY wanted. Why didn't you speak up then if you were against it?

(I think the move of progressive out of the seventhday adventist forums was a mistake, notice that I didn't follow)

We had nothing to do with them moving that whole section Jon. You do know that right?

 

[JonMiller]

I was a minority in the former progressive forum.

Note that for many people, things were so unpleasant that they were forced to leave. How many of the progressive main posters do you see in the D&D forum?

JM

 

[TrustAndObey]

I was a minority in the former progressive forum.

Note that for many people, things were so unpleasant that they were forced to leave. How many of the progressive main posters do you see in the D&D forum?

JM

There have been FAR more Traditional Adventists run out of here Jon.

EVERYBODY was a minority there Jon, and you know why? There was no statement of faith. Ask any progressive to make a statement of faith that covers every "progressive" member and they'll tell you the same thing...it CANNOT be done.

 

[JonMiller]

As I pointed out in another post, the 'progressives' here were defined to be those who weren't welcome in the traditional group here. They had no other self identity.

JM

 

[TrustAndObey]

As I pointed out in another post, the 'progressives' here were defined to be those who weren't welcome in the traditional group here. They had no other self identity.

JM

YES they did. They came up with the statement of faith that basically said "we disagree with Adventist theology".

Period.

That was the only umbrella they could all fit under.

 

[JonMiller]

I believe it was that progressives don't agree with all fundamental doctrines or traditional views on such. But it is basically true, it was a forum for all SDAs who weren't welcome here.

JM