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Adventist Investigative Judgment

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I think you are confusing two separate terms here...investigation and judgement.

Now you have just thrown together an enormously long essay based on an incorrect interpretation and assumption...you just completely wasted half an hour or more of writing producing a completely irrelevant answer .
Even Adventists do not claim judgement is in absentia (I am not sure how you come to this conclusion but it's an incorrect description of SDA belief?
 
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The righteous dead will not be raised until after the judgment at which they are accounted worthy of "the resurrection of life." Hence they will not be present in person at the tribunal when their records are examined and their cases decided. Ellen White, Great Controversy, page 482.3

Adventists do claim the judgment takes place without us being there, hence, in absentia.

I am noting that the judgment before Christ's judgment seat is one in which we are present, per the biblical texts. We give an account, and we confess, the secrets of the heart are revealed, and we receive our reward. It is not like the Adventist investigative judgment.
 
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No that is not correct. It is the investigative part of the judgement started in 1844.

"During the pre-Advent Judgment, these books are opened (as described in Daniel 7:10 and Revelation 20:12), and the lives of all people both living and dead are EXAMINED to establish who has responded to Christ's offer of salvation" (Seventh-day Adventists Believe (2nd ed.). General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. 2005. pp. 354–362.)

The final phases of this process culminate with the accepting of all of Gods creation that he is a fair God worthy of our praise and then punishment is dealt out when fire falls from heaven and consumes the Satan, His angels, and the wicked.

So what i believe as an SDA is that it has 3 parts
1. investigation (started in 1844)
2. Judgement (all mans deads are shown to them and after the millenium they will finally accept that the "Lord, He is God")
3. Punishment (fire falls from heaven)

After all this is over, then the new heavens and new earth are made


Whilst i have issue with the way in which the term judgement is used to shorten the phrase investigative judgement in any case, here is the basis of the belief.
 
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You will have to clarify what it is you are disagreeing with Are you disagreeing with Ellen White's statement?

The righteous dead will not be raised until after the judgment at which they are accounted worthy of "the resurrection of life." Hence they will not be present in person at the tribunal when their records are examined and their cases decided. Ellen White, Great Controversy, page 482.3.

 
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I do not dissagree with her statement. We are talking about when the investigative part of the judgement starts...not the judgement itself.
Judgement is a simple matter of stating innocent or guilty. That is the culmination of the investigation. Do you not understand this part of legal process? It appears to me that you are simply taking the view that Adventists believe God dishes out Judgement guilty and then punishes without first investigating the person and their deeds. God is a fair God, he does not ignore due process.
 
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Please note the following from GG pg 483.3
"Every man's work passes in review before God, and is registered for faithfulness or unfaithfulness. Opposite each name in the books of Heaven is entered, with terrible exactness, every wrong word, every selfish act, every unfulfilled duty, and every secret sin, with every artful dissembling. Heaven-sent warnings or reproofs neglected, wasted moments, unimproved opportunities, the influence exerted for good or for evil, with its far-reaching results, all are chronicled by the recording angel."

As I said, it is my personal view that refining the phrase Investigative Judgement down to just Judgement causes confusion of the doctrine...because it has two parts to it Investigation, then Judgement. After this punishment is dished out!

Between them is the second coming of Christ. Adventists also do not believe that all of the wicked who are dead will be raised at the second coming (with the exception of the likes of Caiaphas). I am a little on the fence with that belief...still researching where i stand on it.
 
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I have not claimed Adventists do not see God reviewing each case. And I have noted they see this happening since 1844.

And I indicated that Adventists believe it is only the professed people of God who's cases are reviewed in this tribunal.

You may want to read the thread to see what I have said.

Now, please post the Scripture where you see this investigation of each case of professed believers described. The text should make clear that it is speaking of a review of the cases of these professed believers as you have alluded to.
 
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