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Avonia
Just look through the telescope . . .
I have to agree......there seems to be a underlying reason for your viewpoints Avonia, but I cant pick it up, I am a tad bit lost ...
Well, I suppose giving me the benefit of the doubt that there may be an underlying reason for my viewpoint on this, even though it sounds like doublespeak, is better than just saying it's all doublespeak!
When the two become one, the unity in the intersection doesn't mean the identity of the individual ceases to exist. It is this truth that is at the origin of the Vesica Picis (which is the origin of the "Christian Fish"). Take a peek . . .
The co-creative potential of the union depends on the heath of the individuals. It's when people think they become one circle, that the creative potential of the union is most limited. "You and God comes before you and your spouse" is another way of saying it.
Marriage at this level is so beautiful. And eternal. The piece of paper, vows, and co-habitation are a small fraction of the whole. Keeping that together when the rest is absent doesn't honor marriage. Divorce has already happened.
Some divorced people have a much better "marriage" than some married people. And some people who are still married, are essentially fractured at every level other than the physical partnership.
I have to start with the above in order to understand why, in hopefully rare cases, even in an almost perfect marriage, for the good of the individual's walk with God, the couple "parts ways." But of course, they're really not. They just aren't physically walking with each other at the moment. The marriage may still be eternal.
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Well, I suppose giving me the benefit of the doubt that there may be an underlying reason for my viewpoint on this, even though it sounds like doublespeak, is better than just saying it's all doublespeak!
When the two become one, the unity in the intersection doesn't mean the identity of the individual ceases to exist. It is this truth that is at the origin of the Vesica Picis (which is the origin of the "Christian Fish"). Take a peek . . .
The co-creative potential of the union depends on the heath of the individuals. It's when people think they become one circle, that the creative potential of the union is most limited. "You and God comes before you and your spouse" is another way of saying it.
Marriage at this level is so beautiful. And eternal. The piece of paper, vows, and co-habitation are a small fraction of the whole. Keeping that together when the rest is absent doesn't honor marriage. Divorce has already happened.
Some divorced people have a much better "marriage" than some married people. And some people who are still married, are essentially fractured at every level other than the physical partnership.
I have to start with the above in order to understand why, in hopefully rare cases, even in an almost perfect marriage, for the good of the individual's walk with God, the couple "parts ways." But of course, they're really not. They just aren't physically walking with each other at the moment. The marriage may still be eternal.
I dont know what to say, except show you something I posted a while ago....
"The Origin of the Christian Fish Symbol
The fish symbol is displayed on the backs of their vehicles, on their key rings, worn as jewelry, and printed on clothing. People display this fish to say they are a Christian, follower of Jesus Christ. But it may be a symbol with pagan roots?
This fish predates Christianity and stands for pagan fertility awareness and sexuality. Ichthys was the son of the ancient sea goddess Atargatis. Other mythic names given to this entity are Aphrodite, Tirgata, Delphine, or Pelagia. The Goddess Aphrodite Salacia, was worshiped on Friday, her sacred day. They ate fish and took part in orgies. The part of this ritual that was taken by the Christian church is the eating of fish on Friday. The word also means dolphin or womb. It has also been depicted as a mermaid.
The fish was also established in the Middle East with the goddess of Ephesus who covered her genital region with a fish amulet. There is also a tale of the fish that swallowed the penis of Osiris.
In India, the Goddess Kali was called the fish-eyed one. The fish symbol has been identified with reincarnation and the life force. There was one group in India that believed that a fish held the soul of a deceased person. As part of fertility, the fish is eaten in order to reincarnate the soul in a newborn child.
Celts and other European pagan cultures link the fish to fertility, sexuality, and birth. The fish symbol, long before Christianity, was known as the Great Mother. Fish deities and shrines have been found all over the region.
In the ancient world, there are many other symbolisms found for the fish. In China, the symbol of the fish stands for the Great Mother Kwan-yin. In Egypt, Isis was called the Great Fish of the Abyss. In Scandinavia, Freya, the Great Goddess was honored by the eating of fish. The 6th day of the week was called Friday after her. In the Mediterranean, mysterious religions used fish, wine, and bread for their sacramental meal. In Greece, the word delphos meant womb and fish.
It seems much comes into Christian use from some pagan sources, just some food for thought...."
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JonMiller
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Marriage is about commitment and giving.
It isn't about receiving, or going in your own direction, or even co-creating.
It is best to marry a Christian because otherwise they might pull you away from God if they are not, but you will note that Christians aren't directed to leave an unbeleiving spouse.
You can follow God in all that He leads you and still stay married to an unbeleiver. How much easier is it to follow God in all that He leads you and stay married to a fellow beleiver!
And, by the way, I don't think that our marriages on earth will matter in the aftelrife.
JM
It isn't about receiving, or going in your own direction, or even co-creating.
It is best to marry a Christian because otherwise they might pull you away from God if they are not, but you will note that Christians aren't directed to leave an unbeleiving spouse.
You can follow God in all that He leads you and still stay married to an unbeleiver. How much easier is it to follow God in all that He leads you and stay married to a fellow beleiver!
And, by the way, I don't think that our marriages on earth will matter in the aftelrife.
JM
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Here is what I read in one of the other forums....
"...I think three things are critical when contemplating marriage:
1) A strong commitment and understanding of God and to God
2) A strong commitment to Marriage (no prenuptual agreements - that is entering the relationship
with a parachute on ready to bail whenever, over whatever and taking their toys with them)
3) A strong commitment to friendship (not fair-weather friendship)
Then find and marry your best friend of the same faith (preferably of the other gender that holds the same beliefs to the above three.)
(and NOT comparing sexual intimacy to trying on a pair of shoes before buying - the excuse some use to justify living together prior to getting married.).."
"...I think three things are critical when contemplating marriage:
1) A strong commitment and understanding of God and to God
2) A strong commitment to Marriage (no prenuptual agreements - that is entering the relationship
with a parachute on ready to bail whenever, over whatever and taking their toys with them)
3) A strong commitment to friendship (not fair-weather friendship)
Then find and marry your best friend of the same faith (preferably of the other gender that holds the same beliefs to the above three.)
(and NOT comparing sexual intimacy to trying on a pair of shoes before buying - the excuse some use to justify living together prior to getting married.).."
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