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adventism beliefs/Christ entering the Most Holy Place

SonOfGodAlmighty

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God bless the adventist. If it wasnt for my local adventist church being so persistant in getting me in church i wouldnt be where i am in my walk with God. They have really helped develop me, and have give me examples of how Godly men should live their lives. However as ive grown in knowledge of the Word i have become skeptical of some doctrines..one inparticular dealing with Christ entering the most holy in the 1800s. Ive always been leary of that teaching but never had a scriptual rebuttal. Today i was going through some scripture trying to get a bible study together and came across Hebrews 6:19-20...

(v19) Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the vail: (v20) Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Malchisedec...

To me this clearly states Christ is/ and has been in the most holy since he ascended to heaven... I would like to hear what adventist think..
 
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Indeed, Christ did enter the Most Holy Place (Heaven). However, if we are going to enter the Most Holy Place we have to go through the holy place first, right?

And who is it that takes us by the hand and walks us through it? Who is our Guide?

Right now we are in The Most Holy Place with Christ; yet, we aren't there physically. We are in the holy place and Christ is with us there too!

But we (the redeemed) are all going to be in the same place when His work is finished!

Therefore, it is more important to focus on what He wants to do with us, and on what we need to do to allow Him to complete His sanctifying work within us.

Questioning where He is and isn't is irrelevant as He is inside of your heart. Knowing this is what matters most! And when you come to know this you will also realize that there is no point in asking where He is...

Just some food for thought...
 
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Thanks for your comments! I didnt really convey my thoughts very well in my original post. The investigative judgement is the most highly significant doctrine that is unique among adventist. Its said to have started in 1844 when Christ (instead of returning as predicting) moved from the holy place (first sanctuary compartment) to the most holy, thus initiating the endtime sequence. What im getting at is if in Hebrews, Christ had already entered the Most Holy Place, would it make that doctrine of no effect?
 
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Thanks for your comments! I didnt really convey my thoughts very well in my original post. The investigative judgement is the most highly significant doctrine that is unique among adventist. Its said to have started in 1844 when Christ (instead of returning as predicting) moved from the holy place (first sanctuary compartment) to the most holy, thus initiating the endtime sequence. What im getting at is if in Hebrews, Christ had already entered the Most Holy Place, would it make that doctrine of no effect?

This is a topic for which you will receive several views.

However, my question to you is what does it matter?

All that really matters is that you know where Christ is right now, and where you stand in relation to Him.

We don't have much time left! Now is not the time to enter into trivial discussions. Now is the time to walk with the Spirit.
 
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SonOfGodAlmighty,

As the IJ is one of the FBs of the SDA Church, I think we should be able to answer questions as you have done here.

From my own research and discussions elsewhere in other SDA forums about this, it is my understanding that Christ did go into the whole Heavenly Sanctuary including the MHP to inaugurate/anoint/activate it, however, Christ didn't enter into the MHP to begin the IJ until 1844.
 
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God bless the adventist. If it wasnt for my local adventist church being so persistant in getting me in church i wouldnt be where i am in my walk with God. They have really helped develop me, and have give me examples of how Godly men should live their lives. However as ive grown in knowledge of the Word i have become skeptical of some doctrines..one inparticular dealing with Christ entering the most holy in the 1800s. Ive always been leary of that teaching but never had a scriptual rebuttal. Today i was going through some scripture trying to get a bible study together and came across Hebrews 6:19-20...

(v19) Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the vail: (v20) Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Malchisedec...

To me this clearly states Christ is/ and has been in the most holy since he ascended to heaven... I would like to hear what adventist think..



Hi SoGA,


In order to fully understand that passage in Hebrews, you need to investigate which 'vail' is being referred to: there were two veils in the earthly sanctuary: one leading into the HP and one leading into the MHP.



Moreover Daniel 9:24 prophesied that Christ would 'anoint' the Most Holy. He did enter the MHP upon His ascension to inaugurate the sanctuary which Ellen White saw in vision. But His ministration/mediation did not begin in that apartment until 1844 as prophesied in the Scriptures.


Hope this helps,


Jon
 
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Maybe im confused.. after all this prophecy isnt just crystal clear. In daniel 9:24 70 weeks are determined... 70 weeks being 490 years are determined upon the people. Included in this span of time will also be the coming of the messiah. Which is seven three score and 2 weeks = 69 weeks into the prophecy. Leaving one week to complete the 70 weeks. If the annointing of the most holy was to take place within the 70 weeks as daniel 9:24 confirms, then christ would have had to annointed the mh within seven years of his ascension to heaven. Ok, so what does annointing the mh include? If he was to annoint the mh, then recede into the holy place, im sure their is a type of that from the preist going into the earthly tabernacle..annointing the mh..and also receding to the holy place..if someone could inform me of where thats at in the o.t. i would love to look at it. I suppose i could search my self and i might, however if someone knows i would appreciate the specific verse in which they consider the type
 
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Son--It's always been my understanding of the phrase "to anoint the most Holy" is referring to Christ's baptism by John when He was anointed by the Holy Spirit. I never assumed this meant the most holy PLACE.

Where did you hear that this is what is meant?

BTW--His anointing at His baptism perfectly fits the time-line. As a matter of fact--His anointing actually is the 69th week.
 
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look at the post by darylfawcett...about the fifth one "From my own research and discussions elsewhere in other SDA forums about this, it is my understanding that Christ did go into the whole Heavenly Sanctuary including the MHP to inaugurate/anoint/activate it, however, Christ didn't enter into the MHP to begin the IJ until 1844" Im pretty sure my concept of anointing the m.h came from this post. As if it were an act that Jesus performed in the sanctuary
 
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Maybe im confused.. after all this prophecy isnt just crystal clear. In daniel 9:24 70 weeks are determined... 70 weeks being 490 years are determined upon the people. Included in this span of time will also be the coming of the messiah. Which is seven three score and 2 weeks = 69 weeks into the prophecy. Leaving one week to complete the 70 weeks.



Yeah that's correct - here's what it says:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." Daniel 9:24


The first seven weeks were for the rebuilding and restoration of Jerusalem. The next sixty-two weeks marked the baptism of Christ - the Messiah. In the midst of the last week He was cut off. So, yes the anointing of the Most Holy Place did take place during the 70 week prophecy.


If the annointing of the most holy was to take place within the 70 weeks as daniel 9:24 confirms, then christ would have had to annointed the mh within seven years of his ascension to heaven.


The seven years were alloted for the restoration of Jerusalem:


"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times." Daniel 9:25


I've colour coded the pattern to make it a bit clearer (there is a technical term for the structure but it's slipped my mind:))


So: 7 Weeks - Restore and build Jerusalem 457 B.C - 408 B.C

62 Weeks - Until Messiah the Prince - 27 A.D


Ok, so what does annointing the mh include? If he was to annoint the mh, then recede into the holy place, im sure their is a type of that from the preist going into the earthly tabernacle..annointing the mh..and also receding to the holy place..if someone could inform me of where thats at in the o.t. i would love to look at it. I suppose i could search my self and i might, however if someone knows i would appreciate the specific verse in which they consider the type


Yeah sure.

As in the type:

"And it came to pass on the day that Moses had fully set up the tabernacle, and had anointed it, and sanctified it, and all the instruments thereof, both the altar and all the vessels thereof, and had anointed them, and sanctified them;" Numbers 7:1

"Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood....moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry." Hebrews 9:18, 21


So in the antitype:

"By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;" Hebrews 10:20


This consecration/inauguration was just as in the type: the whole sanctuary including the MHP was anointed and sanctified before the yearly sacrifices began. So Christ inaugurated the Heavenly sanctuary before He began His intercession in the Holy Place.





Jon
 
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why would we need an investigative judgement if eph 1:11 results are determined. God isnt a committee judging applications, for those seeking salvation. He has ordained the children of adoption according to his own council. Even if you argue predestination, you cant argue the fact God knows who are is. If you take the IJ seriously you have pretty much discredited John 10:27
 
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