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Someone's wife cheats, their kids get sick, and they lose everything; and you will help come up with solutions?

Okay ... let's hear a solution?

I would have to know what was happening wouldn't I?

Perhaps they were unable to give their partner sexual pleasure. Then I would advise them that the next time they were in a relationship, make sure their partner is sexually satisfied. I would even help them find some books on the subject.

As for the sick children, I would help them research who the best available doctors were, and help them arrange an appointment with one of these doctors. If the doctor was in another country, I would help pay for their expenses.
 
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Christians live in constant fear of God's punishment and Hell,
We do?

Since when do we live in constant fear of Hell?

Psalm 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.
 
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What if Christians are punished and Atheists are rewarded? do you know for sure that's not what happens?
Seriously though, why would you even think there is an after life? why would there be? how did people find out the rules you must follow in order to get there? and why did every tribe get a different set of rules to follow? could they all possibly be man made rules? did fear of death cause all the religions to be devised? I could go on and on but I will stop there.
 
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Sorry ... I don't believe that.

You must be pretty rich.
 
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Why would God not favour me? I have led a very moral life.

And I have never supported Genocide, Slavery, and Misogyny for personal gain.

So if God is moral and all-loving, I'm the one going to Heaven.
 
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What if Christians are punished and Atheists are rewarded?

What if belief in the bible is God's test for immorality?

It makes sense that those who support Genocide, Slavery, and Misogyny for personal gain (Heaven) are exactly the people God believes do not deserve eternal happiness.
 
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Why would God not favour me? I have led a very moral life.

And I have never supported Genocide, Slavery, and Misogyny for personal gain.

So if God is moral and all-loving, I'm the one going to Heaven.

He makes the rules, If He is all moral then immorality is real. If immortality exists then justice and mercy must as well. The mercy is in the acceptance of the gift to all. Justice is to all that refuse the gift.
 
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What if belief in the bible is God's test for immorality?

It makes sense that those who support Genocide, Slavery, and Misogyny for personal gain (Heaven) are exactly the people God believes do not deserve eternal happiness.

Keep telling yourself that and you will someday see who goes. Are you willing to take the consequences when you find yourself in front of God? IN GOD's eyes are you moral? Are you a good person? Because He is the judge.
 
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Please explain how the actions of Hitler were representative of the teachings of Jesus Christ. List specific actions and corresponding specific teachings. Then read the parable about the wheat and the tares and identify whether Hitler is the wheat or the tares and why?
 
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I believed in God until I was about 12.

He never revealed himself. He is aware that he has never revealed himself. That is His choice, not mine.
He revealed Himself in Christ. He revealed Himself in His word. Since you apparently have access to the revelations, maybe you should start there.
 
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Again, your premise is wrong. We do not have to fear God's punishment or hell. We are washed clean and can stand before God without blemish. Nothing to fear there.
But you accept that God gets really angry and sends storms and earthquakes and fires... all of which hurt people regardless of being "washed clean". But never directly those who are (said to be) responsible for Gods anger.

God was, according to AV, so extremely unhappy about the negotiations between Assad and Clinton that he had an earthquake "pulverize[...] South California". 57 dead, 8700 injured... regardless of their faith.

But was Geneva hit with an earthquake? A hurricane? A flood? Cloudy skies and a light drizzle?

Yet you have this - blind - faith that this rather arbitrary deity will not do anything really bad to you.

We know reality, we know what is true. We know what we know.
Then why is there so much disagreement... between Christians? And why can't you even explain the things that you know?

You will someday know too. Unfortunately for you it won't be on good terms.
That makes no sense. In that, it fits in quite perfectly with the rest of your worldview... it does not make sense. Like this...

He makes the rules, If He is all moral then immorality is real. If immortality exists then justice and mercy must as well.
The conclusions you made here are simply not following. They make no sense.
 
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What's wrong?

Didn't enough people die?

You need Switzerland hit with something too?
 
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Keep telling yourself that and you will someday see who goes. Are you willing to take the consequences when you find yourself in front of God? IN GOD's eyes are you moral? Are you a good person? Because He is the judge.
They really must have scared you to death with that standing in front of God rubbish.
 
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Not to the point that I'm going to condemn His actions.
So regardless of how many people died... you would be OK with it. Even if the whole of Switzerland was wiped from the map, you would condone it.

But somehow you think that I am so bloodthirsty that I think"not enough people died".


Well, let me tell you...

...first, I don't think that killing people as punishment, or as warning, or because you are angry, or for any other reason is a good idea.

...second, I don't think that even if I would see any reason for killing people, killing some random people on the opposite of the Globe for punishment, warning, anger or whatever can be aligned with the concept of "justice" or "mercy".
 
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Didn't you get the memo?

Everything that God commands is good. Even if it means immense suffering and killing.
 
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