Addressing Heretical Application of the Trinity Doctrine

[he-man]

That is the FUTURE tense, not present! God, who is the Father of us, only had immortality until He resurrected Jesus, who now waits obediently on the right hand of God. That is why it says: Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. and...
Jesus died and was dead for three days and he gave up the breath of life (Spirit) Jn 19:30
Heb 9:16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. (17) For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
He sat down on his own right hand? Then why did Christ say, "..but to sit on the right hand or the left hand* is NOT mine to give?
Did God forget to tell Jesus the HOUR? Did the translators try to cover up Mat 24:36, when they chose not to include "NOR THE SON"?
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, *neither the Son*, but the Father.
Mat 24:36 περι δε τηϲ ημεραϲ εκεινηϲ και ωραϲ ουδειϲ οιδε ουδε οι αγγελοι τω ουρανων ουδε ο υιοϲ ει μη ο πατηρ μονοϲ.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, not the Son, if not the Father only. [Codex Sinaiticus]
Mat 24:36 περι δε της ημερας εκεινης και ωρας ουδεις οιδεν ουδε οι αγγελοι των ουρανων ουδε ο υιος ει μη ο πατηρ μονος [GNT]
36 But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of the heavens, nor the Son, but the Father only.

Or try this: Jn 1:1 In the beginning was that word, and that word was with god: and god was that word
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Along with Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus is one of the most valuable manuscripts for establishing the original text of the Greek New Testament, as well as the Septuagint. It is the only uncial manuscript with the complete text of the New Testament, and the only ancient manuscript of the New Testament written in four columns per page which has survived to the present day.
The work was written in scripta continua with neither breathings nor poly tonic accents. Occasional points and few ligatures are used, though nomina sacra with over lines are employed throughout. For most of the New Testament, Codex Sinaiticus is in general agreement with Codex Vaticanus and Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus, attesting the Alexandrian text-type.
Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Bezae are the only Greek manuscripts with textual variant ἐν αὐτῷ ζωὴ ἐστίν (in him is life) instead of ἐν αὐτῷ ζωὴ ᾓν (in him was life). This variant is supported by Vetus Latina and some Sahidic manuscripts
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Act 6:30 Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked. “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
Hebrews 10:35 Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward. (36) For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:
37 "For yet a little while, And He who is coming will come and will not tarry.
New King James Version

 

[he-man]

That is the FUTURE tense, not present! God, who is the Father of us, only had immortality until He resurrected Jesus, who now waits obediently on the right hand of God. That is why it says: Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. and...
Jesus died and was dead for three days and he gave up the breath of life (Spirit) Jn 19:30
Heb 9:16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. (17) For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
He sat down on his own right hand? Then why did Christ say, "..but to sit on the right hand or the left hand* is NOT mine to give?
Did God forget to tell Jesus the HOUR? Did the translators try to cover up Mat 24:36, when they chose not to include "NOR THE SON"?
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, *neither the Son*, but the Father.
Mat 24:36 περι δε τηϲ ημεραϲ εκεινηϲ και ωραϲ ουδειϲ οιδε ουδε οι αγγελοι τω ουρανων ουδε ο υιοϲ ει μη ο πατηρ μονοϲ.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, not the Son, if not the Father only. [Codex Sinaiticus]
Mat 24:36 περι δε της ημερας εκεινης και ωρας ουδεις οιδεν ουδε οι αγγελοι των ουρανων ουδε ο υιος ει μη ο πατηρ μονος [GNT]
36 But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of the heavens, nor the Son, but the Father only.

Or try this: Jn 1:1 In the beginning was that word, and that word was with god: and god was that word
THE NEW TESTAMENT W TYNDALE Bible

Along with Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus is one of the most valuable manuscripts for establishing the original text of the Greek New Testament, as well as the Septuagint. It is the only uncial manuscript with the complete text of the New Testament, and the only ancient manuscript of the New Testament written in four columns per page which has survived to the present day.
The work was written in scripta continua with neither breathings nor poly tonic accents. Occasional points and few ligatures are used, though nomina sacra with over lines are employed throughout. For most of the New Testament, Codex Sinaiticus is in general agreement with Codex Vaticanus and Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus, attesting the Alexandrian text-type.
Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Bezae are the only Greek manuscripts with textual variant ἐν αὐτῷ ζωὴ ἐστίν (in him is life) instead of ἐν αὐτῷ ζωὴ ᾓν (in him was life). This variant is supported by Vetus Latina and some Sahidic manuscripts
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KELSO: Act 6:30 Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked. “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
Hebrews 10:35 Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward. (36) For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:
37 "For yet a little while, And He who is coming will come and will not tarry.
New King James Version

 

[jerry kelso]

KELSO: Act 6:30 Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked. “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
Hebrews 10:35 Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward. (36) For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:
37 "For yet a little while, And He who is coming will come and will not tarry.
New King James Version

he-man,
1. Man's body does not have immortality. The soul is immortal. I Corinthians is all about the physical body and not the soul. The body is the only thing scripture records as being a seed that has to die physically and be resurrected. The soul and the spirit can die spiritually but not physically. If all we had was a physical body there would be no life. It would be just a physical substance that would be dead. We were created to live forever.

2. Satan was created indestructible physically and could not physically die. Men were not created in that way.
Jesus was given a body by God. This doesn't mean just through the process of the Holy Spirit impregnating Mary. It was also because he was deity. This is why he was fully God and fully man.
He could of taken on the nature of angels but instead he took on the nature of the seed of Abraham. It wasn't just because he was born as a man. It was because he had to identify as a man and that is why he had to live and be tempted in every way as a man. Not taking on the nature of angels is an implication that he could have taken on the nature of angels which means that he was deity and this is why he also was given a body by God.

3. If he had to live and suffer as man to be the intercessor and mediator to God then he would have to also be God to be the mediator for God.
Man is mere creation to God and so to be the perfect Mediator and Savior to and for man and so glory would only go to deity God knew that the kenosis of Christ was the only answer. This is why he was fully God and fully man.

4. John 1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. This is plainly talking about Jesus.
Verse 2 says, the same was in the beginning with God. This tells us that Christ was in the beginning with God. This refers to the beginning of our world for man for God the father and the Son and the Holy Spirit have no beginning or ending.
5. The revelation is about the unveiling of Jesus Christ and he is the one who is coming back to save Israel and fulfill their covenants according to the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants and they along with the saints will rule the earth. Acts 1:11 Revelations 1:7; 11:15; 19:11-15. Jerry kelso

 

[he-man]

2. Satan was created indestructible physically and could not physically die.

Wow! That thing you call a devil can never die? I guess God is a Liar? What a weak way to try to destroy an immortal thing, not to mention, if it is immortal that means it can NEVER die.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

3. If he had to live and suffer as man to be the intercessor and mediator to God then he would have to also be God to be the mediator for God.

Polygamist! Deuteronomy 13:1 "If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, (2) and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, "Let us go after other gods"—which you have not known—"and let us serve them," (3) you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.New King James Version
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus;

4. John 1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. This is plainly talking about Jesus. . Jerry kelso

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was that word, and that word was with god: and god was that word. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with god.
[W TYNDALE BIBLE]
2Peter 1:2 Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
NIV

 

[tulipbee]

How does three formless, timeless spirit divide themselves when theres no space for them the go.

 

[jerry kelso]

Wow! That thing you call a devil can never die? I guess God is a Liar? What a weak way to try to destroy an immortal thing, not to mention, if it is immortal that means it can NEVER die.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Polygamist! Deuteronomy 13:1 "If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, (2) and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, "Let us go after other gods"—which you have not known—"and let us serve them," (3) you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.New King James Version
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus; Jn 1:1 In the beginning was that word, and that word was with god: and god was that word. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with god.
[W TYNDALE BIBLE]
2Peter 1:2 Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
NIV

he-man,
1. Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels and are thrown into the lake of fire and are alive and they are not resurrected because their bodies are immortal. Jesus destroyed the Devil at Calvary but not physically.

2. Pologamist? Are you serious trying to quote the Mosaic law to prove your point. That had nothing to do with Messiah just because he was a prophet because he is a priest and a King and the Lord of Salvation and deity. Christ did not say, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them as in verse two. Get real. You take it out of context. You are grasping at straws.

3. There is one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus. He was not trying to explain his deity here. Just because he didn't mention doesn't mean that he is not deity. I have already explained other passages that show his deity and you will not answer to them. Scriptures that mark his deity trumps your assumption of the phrase the man Christ Jesus. Men do not forgive sins such as Christ because they are not the savior or deity. God doesn't share his glory with anyone except Jesus Christ and we are told angels worshiped him and angels are never said to worship men.
You can't pigeon hole the word of God. You need to understand context and reconciling the scriptures properly so they harmonize and you have not. Jerry Kelso

 

[he-man]

1. Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels and are thrown into the lake of fire and are alive and they are not resurrected because their bodies are immortal. Jesus destroyed the Devil at Calvary but not physically.

He was speaking of death and all the messengers who practice the mythology of a devil.1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
The right use of the word is fiend. Have you not read Mat 13:28 And he saith to them, A man, an enemy, did this; and the servants said to him, Wilt thou, then, that having gone away we may gather them up?,
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

2. Pologamist

God, who is the Father of us, only has immortality! 1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. Isa 44:6 Thus saith JEHOVAH, the King of Israel, and his redeemer JEHOVAH of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me, there is no God.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God besides me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. [YLT]

. If he had to live and suffer as man to be the intercessor and mediator to God then he would have to also be God to be the mediator for God.

There are not two gods!
You are the Polygamist if you think Jesus was a god! This verse in Deuteronomy 13:1 addresses you and anyothrs who think there ais more than ONE GOD and Jesus was not GOD, Jesus was his son.
"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, [or a Jerry Kelso] and he gives you a sign or a wonder, (2) and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, "Let us go after other gods"—which you have not known—"and let us serve them," (3) you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. New King James Version
3. There is one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus. He was not trying to explain his deity here. Just because he didn't mention doesn't mean that he is not deity. [/quote] Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. and...
Jesus died and was dead for three days and he gave up the breath of life (Spirit) Jn 19:30
Heb 9:16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. (17) For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
He sat down on his own right hand? Then why did Christ say, "..but to sit on the right hand or the left hand* is NOT mine to give?
Did God forget to tell Jesus the HOUR? Did the translators try to cover up Mat 24:36, when they chose not to include "NOR THE SON"?
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, *neither the Son*, but the Father.
Mat 24:36 περι δε τηϲ ημεραϲ εκεινηϲ και ωραϲ ουδειϲ οιδε ουδε οι αγγελοι τω ουρανων ουδε ο υιοϲ ει μη ο πατηρ μονοϲ.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, not the Son, if not the Father only. [Codex Sinaiticus]
Mat 24:36 περι δε της ημερας εκεινης και ωρας ουδεις οιδεν ουδε οι αγγελοι των ουρανων ουδε ο υιος ει μη ο πατηρ μονος [GNT]
36 But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of the heavens, nor the Son, but the Father only.
Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. (17) And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
(18) "The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me [NKJV]

 

[DrBubbaLove]

He was speaking of death and all the messengers who practice the mythology of a devil.1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
The right use of the word is fiend. Have you not read Mat 13:28 And he saith to them, A man, an enemy, did this; and the servants said to him, Wilt thou, then, that having gone away we may gather them up?,
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
God, who is the Father of us, only has immortality! 1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. Isa 44:6 Thus saith JEHOVAH, the King of Israel, and his redeemer JEHOVAH of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me, there is no God.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God besides me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. [YLT]

There are not two gods!
You are the Polygamist if you think Jesus was a god! This verse in Deuteronomy 13:1 addresses you and anyothrs who think there ais more than ONE GOD and Jesus was not GOD, Jesus was his son.
"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, [or a Jerry Kelso] and he gives you a sign or a wonder, (2) and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, "Let us go after other gods"—which you have not known—"and let us serve them," (3) you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. New King James Version
3. There is one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus. He was not trying to explain his deity here. Just because he didn't mention doesn't mean that he is not deity. Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. and...
Jesus died and was dead for three days and he gave up the breath of life (Spirit) Jn 19:30
Heb 9:16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. (17) For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
He sat down on his own right hand? Then why did Christ say, "..but to sit on the right hand or the left hand* is NOT mine to give?
Did God forget to tell Jesus the HOUR? Did the translators try to cover up Mat 24:36, when they chose not to include "NOR THE SON"?
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, *neither the Son*, but the Father.
Mat 24:36 περι δε τηϲ ημεραϲ εκεινηϲ και ωραϲ ουδειϲ οιδε ουδε οι αγγελοι τω ουρανων ουδε ο υιοϲ ει μη ο πατηρ μονοϲ.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, not the Son, if not the Father only. [Codex Sinaiticus]
Mat 24:36 περι δε της ημερας εκεινης και ωρας ουδεις οιδεν ουδε οι αγγελοι των ουρανων ουδε ο υιος ει μη ο πατηρ μονος [GNT]
36 But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of the heavens, nor the Son, but the Father only.
Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. (17) And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
(18) "The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me [NKJV]

Not that it will matter Heman, but no one except you has actually written that someone said there are more than One God. JerryKelso did not say that, and by long ago you also know too that he does not believe that, so your suggestion otherwise is not just false, it maliciously false. You should be ashamed.

 

[he-man]

Not that it will matter Heman, but no one except you has actually written that someone said there are more than One God. JerryKelso did not say that, and by long ago you also know too that he does not believe that, so your suggestion otherwise is not just false, it maliciously false. You should be ashamed.

3. If he had to live and suffer as man to be the intercessor and mediator to God then he would have to also be God to be the mediator for God.
Man is mere creation to God and so to be the perfect Mediator and Savior to and for man and so glory would only go to deity God knew that the kenosis of Christ was the only answer. This is why he was fully God and fully man.

Read it again, Christ is NOT two persons!
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. Isa 44:6 Thus saith JEHOVAH, the King of Israel, and his redeemer JEHOVAH of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me, there is no God.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God besides me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. [YLT]
There are not two gods!
You are the Polygamist if you think Jesus was a god! This verse in Deuteronomy 13:1 addresses you and anyothrs who think there ais more than ONE GOD and Jesus was not GOD, Jesus was his son.
"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, [or a Jerry Kelso] and he gives you a sign or a wonder, (2) and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, "Let us go after other gods"—which you have not known—"and let us serve them," (3) you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. New King James Version
3. There is one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus. He was not trying to explain his deity here. Just because he didn't mention doesn't mean that he is not deity. Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. and...
Jesus died and was dead for three days and he gave up the breath of life (Spirit) Jn 19:30
Heb 9:16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. (17) For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
He sat down on his own right hand? Then why did Christ say, "..but to sit on the right hand or the left hand* is NOT mine to give?
Did God forget to tell Jesus the HOUR? Did the translators try to cover up Mat 24:36, when they chose not to include "NOR THE SON"?
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, *neither the Son*, but the Father.
Mat 24:36 περι δε τηϲ ημεραϲ εκεινηϲ και ωραϲ ουδειϲ οιδε ουδε οι αγγελοι τω ουρανων ουδε ο υιοϲ ει μη ο πατηρ μονοϲ.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, not the Son, if not the Father only. [Codex Sinaiticus]
Mat 24:36 περι δε της ημερας εκεινης και ωρας ουδεις οιδεν ουδε οι αγγελοι των ουρανων ουδε ο υιος ει μη ο πατηρ μονος [GNT]
36 But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of the heavens, nor the Son, but the Father only.
Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. (17) And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
(18) "The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me [NKJV]

 

[he-man]

He was speaking of death and all the messengers who practice the mythology of a devil.1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
The right use of the word is fiend. Have you not read Mat 13:28 And he saith to them, A man, an enemy, did this; and the servants said to him, Wilt thou, then, that having gone away we may gather them up?,
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
God, who is the Father of us, only has immortality! 1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. Isa 44:6 Thus saith JEHOVAH, the King of Israel, and his redeemer JEHOVAH of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me, there is no God.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God besides me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. [YLT]

There are not two gods!
You are the Polygamist if you think Jesus was a god! This verse in Deuteronomy 13:1 addresses you and anyothrs who think there ais more than ONE GOD and Jesus was not GOD, Jesus was his son.
"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, [or a Jerry Kelso] and he gives you a sign or a wonder, (2) and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, "Let us go after other gods"—which you have not known—"and let us serve them," (3) you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. New King James Version
3. There is one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus. He was not trying to explain his deity here. Just because he didn't mention doesn't mean that he is not deity.

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. and...
Jesus died and was dead for three days and he gave up the breath of life (Spirit) Jn 19:30
Heb 9:16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. (17) For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
He sat down on his own right hand? Then why did Christ say, "..but to sit on the right hand or the left hand* is NOT mine to give?
Did God forget to tell Jesus the HOUR? Did the translators try to cover up Mat 24:36, when they chose not to include "NOR THE SON"?
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, *neither the Son*, but the Father.
Mat 24:36 περι δε τηϲ ημεραϲ εκεινηϲ και ωραϲ ουδειϲ οιδε ουδε οι αγγελοι τω ουρανων ουδε ο υιοϲ ει μη ο πατηρ μονοϲ.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, not the Son, if not the Father only. [Codex Sinaiticus]
Mat 24:36 περι δε της ημερας εκεινης και ωρας ουδεις οιδεν ουδε οι αγγελοι των ουρανων ουδε ο υιος ει μη ο πατηρ μονος [GNT]
36 But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of the heavens, nor the Son, but the Father only.
Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. (17) And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
(18) "The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me [NKJV][/QUOTE]

3. If he had to live and suffer as man to be the intercessor and mediator to God then he would have to also be God to be the mediator for God.
Man is mere creation to God and so to be the perfect Mediator and Savior to and for man and so glory would only go to deity God knew that the kenosis of Christ was the only answer. This is why he was fully God and fully man.

Read it again, Christ is NOT two persons!
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. Isa 44:6 Thus saith JEHOVAH, the King of Israel, and his redeemer JEHOVAH of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me, there is no God.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God besides me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. [YLT]
There are not two gods!
You are the Polygamist if you think Jesus was a god! This verse in Deuteronomy 13:1 addresses you and anyothrs who think there ais more than ONE GOD and Jesus was not GOD, Jesus was his son.
"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, [or a Jerry Kelso] and he gives you a sign or a wonder, (2) and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, "Let us go after other gods"—which you have not known—"and let us serve them," (3) you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. New King James Version
3. There is one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus. He was not trying to explain his deity here. Just because he didn't mention doesn't mean that he is not deity. Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. and...
Jesus died and was dead for three days and he gave up the breath of life (Spirit) Jn 19:30
Heb 9:16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. (17) For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
He sat down on his own right hand? Then why did Christ say, "..but to sit on the right hand or the left hand* is NOT mine to give?
Did God forget to tell Jesus the HOUR? Did the translators try to cover up Mat 24:36, when they chose not to include "NOR THE SON"?
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, *neither the Son*, but the Father.
Mat 24:36 περι δε τηϲ ημεραϲ εκεινηϲ και ωραϲ ουδειϲ οιδε ουδε οι αγγελοι τω ουρανων ουδε ο υιοϲ ει μη ο πατηρ μονοϲ.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, not the Son, if not the Father only. [Codex Sinaiticus]
Mat 24:36 περι δε της ημερας εκεινης και ωρας ουδεις οιδεν ουδε οι αγγελοι των ουρανων ουδε ο υιος ει μη ο πατηρ μονος [GNT]
36 But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of the heavens, nor the Son, but the Father only.
Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. (17) And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
(18) "The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me [NKJV]

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Is there no shame in making false accusations against another Christian?

 

[he-man]

Is there no shame in making false accusations against another Christian?

LISTEN: “Be still, and know that I am God; Psalm 46:10 (NIV)
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. Isa 44:6 Thus saith JEHOVAH, the King of Israel, and his redeemer JEHOVAH of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me, there is no God.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God besides me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. [YLT]
There are not two gods!
You are the Polygamist if you think Jesus was a god! This verse in Deuteronomy 13:1 addresses you and anyothrs who think there ais more than ONE GOD and Jesus was not GOD, Jesus was his son.
"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, [or a Jerry Kelso] and he gives you a sign or a wonder, (2) and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, "Let us go after other gods"—which you have not known—"and let us serve them," (3) you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. New King James Version
3. There is one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus. He was not trying to explain his deity here. Just because he didn't mention doesn't mean that he is not deity. Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. and...
Jesus died and was dead for three days and he gave up the breath of life (Spirit) Jn 19:30
Heb 9:16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. (17) For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
He sat down on his own right hand? Then why did Christ say, "..but to sit on the right hand or the left hand* is NOT mine to give?
Did God forget to tell Jesus the HOUR? Did the translators try to cover up Mat 24:36, when they chose not to include "NOR THE SON"?
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, *neither the Son*, but the Father.
Mat 24:36 περι δε τηϲ ημεραϲ εκεινηϲ και ωραϲ ουδειϲ οιδε ουδε οι αγγελοι τω ουρανων ουδε ο υιοϲ ει μη ο πατηρ μονοϲ.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, not the Son, if not the Father only. [Codex Sinaiticus]
Mat 24:36 περι δε της ημερας εκεινης και ωρας ουδεις οιδεν ουδε οι αγγελοι των ουρανων ουδε ο υιος ει μη ο πατηρ μονος [GNT]
36 But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of the heavens, nor the Son, but the Father only.
Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. (17) And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
(18) "The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me [NKJV] LISTEN: Christ is NOT TWO persons.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Obviously the answer is sadly no for some Christians.

 

[he-man]

Obviously the answer is sadly no for some Christians.

LISTEN: “Be still, and know that I am God; Psalm 46:10 (NIV)
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. Isa 44:6 Thus saith JEHOVAH, the King of Israel, and his redeemer JEHOVAH of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me, there is no God.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God besides me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. [YLT]
There are not two gods! 1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." (20) Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? (21) For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
(30) But of him you who are in Christ Jesus, has been made to us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— (31) that, as it is written, "He who rejoices, let him glory in the LORD."
Isa 41:16 Thou shalt fan them, and the wind shall carry them away, and the whirlwind shall scatter them: and thou shalt rejoice in Jehovah, and shalt glory in the Holy One of Israel.

 

[he-man]

LISTEN: “Be still, and know that I am God; Psalm 46:10 (NIV)
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. Isa 44:6 Thus saith JEHOVAH, the King of Israel, and his redeemer JEHOVAH of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me, there is no God.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God besides me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. [YLT]
There are not two gods!
You are the Polygamist if you think Jesus was a god! This verse in Deuteronomy 13:1 addresses you and anyothrs who think there ais more than ONE GOD and Jesus was not GOD, Jesus was his son.
"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, [or a Jerry Kelso] and he gives you a sign or a wonder, (2) and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, "Let us go after other gods"—which you have not known—"and let us serve them," (3) you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. New King James Version
3. There is one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus. He was not trying to explain his deity here. Just because he didn't mention doesn't mean that he is not deity. Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. and...
Jesus died and was dead for three days and he gave up the breath of life (Spirit) Jn 19:30
Heb 9:16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. (17) For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
He sat down on his own right hand? Then why did Christ say, "..but to sit on the right hand or the left hand* is NOT mine to give?
Did God forget to tell Jesus the HOUR? Did the translators try to cover up Mat 24:36, when they chose not to include "NOR THE SON"?
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, *neither the Son*, but the Father.
Mat 24:36 περι δε τηϲ ημεραϲ εκεινηϲ και ωραϲ ουδειϲ οιδε ουδε οι αγγελοι τω ουρανων ουδε ο υιοϲ ει μη ο πατηρ μονοϲ.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, not the Son, if not the Father only. [Codex Sinaiticus]
Mat 24:36 περι δε της ημερας εκεινης και ωρας ουδεις οιδεν ουδε οι αγγελοι των ουρανων ουδε ο υιος ει μη ο πατηρ μονος [GNT]
36 But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of the heavens, nor the Son, but the Father only.
Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. (17) And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
(18) "The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me [NKJV] LISTEN: Christ is NOT TWO persons.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, an intercessor will not appear to you; but if I depart, the goal and objective event is to return the intercessor [Christ] to you.

 

[he-man]

Obviously the answer is sadly no for some Christians.

Duh! Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only δεσπότης , absolute ruler, Hdt.3.89 God, and our κύριος appointed authority Jesus Christ.
http://logeion.uchicago.edu/

 

[he-man]

he-man,
1. Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels and are thrown into the lake of fire and are alive and they are not resurrected because their bodies are immortal. Jesus destroyed the Devil at Calvary but not physically.

So you think that is where your satan has his throne? He must be too busy to be anywhere else! Not to mention that your satan died but you say was immortal! Oxford says: living forever; never dying or decaying [© Oxford University Press] I think you have confused satan with the god of ancient Greece or Rome!
Rev 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

You can't pigeon hole the word of God. You need to understand context and reconciling the scriptures properly so they harmonize and you have not. Jerry Kelso

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only δεσπότης absolute ruler, Hdt.3.89 God, and our κύριος person of appointed authority Jesus Christ. http://logeion.uchicago.edu/

 

[DrBubbaLove]

II never mind

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Duh! Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only δεσπότης , absolute ruler, Hdt.3.89 God, and our κύριος appointed authority Jesus Christ.
http://logeion.uchicago.edu/

I asked you a question - how falsely claiming someone posted something that you know they did not post and certainly you would long ago known they could NEVER be understood to believe, how is that not bearing false witness?
And this is your reply - we are ungodly?

Do you have a colored scripture to copy paste giving you justification to lie without shame about the ungodly?

 

[jerry kelso]

Not that it will matter Heman, but no one except you has actually written that someone said there are more than One God. JerryKelso did not say that, and by long ago you also know too that he does not believe that, so your suggestion otherwise is not just false, it maliciously false. You should be ashamed.

drbubbalove,
Thanks for upholding the truth in your posts and for realizing what I did say and what I didn't. It is reassuring that there are still some who want to uphold the truth.
The kenosis of Christ as I am sure you know is not about 2 Gods just because he is fully God and fully man. His greek doesn't match up with proper logic of the scriptures and properly reconciling the scriptures together. He cannot disprove compound unity and said that God or the Holy Spirit was referred till I gave him scripture and he has not proven how God would share his glory with the son when he believes that God would not share it with anyone for any reason. He says he doesn't believe that Jesus is deity and the Holy Spirit was the Spirit of God and not the 3rd person of the Godhead and that God the Father was the only member in the Godhead and this is a Christadelphian belief though he says he is not Christadelphianism. Either way he is a strict monotheistic who does not understand the kenosis of Christ. What are your thoughts on the kenosis of Christ? Thanks and God bless! Jerry kelso