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Adam. The 'first man'?

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It used to be at the beginning - before the fall of man.

It wasn't God who made the mistake, it was man.
"The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat[d] of it you shall surely die.”"

The difference is before the fall, man didn't need money to motivate him to work because the sin nature was not yet in him.

Like every other ideal, "socialism" only works in a perfect world, which this is not. That is why, throughout the course of history, you see socialism in its various forms fail time and again.

Capitalism, on the other hand, is a system built to work in a real world, where power corrupts and people in power will take advantage of power. One does not have to be motivated by greed to succeed in a capitalistic society. If your motivation is to serve your employer, or your customer if you are the employer, as you would God, you will be successful in capitalistic society - and often even more than somebody whose primary motivation is money.
 
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This argument is all from the notion that everything described in Cain's story happened before the story of Adam's line resumes in vs. 25. This assumption shows an ignorance of Hebrew storytelling as well as disregarding the rest of the text. By your way of accounting for this story, we have 6 generations of men born to Cain before Seth is born.

A simple reading of the text is this:
The author tells the story of the fall. He then goes on to tell the story of Adam and Eve as they have their first two children - both men. (There could have been other daughters born during this time as well, as the Hebrew genealogies account only for the firstborn male heir and would not include a daughter born before that time). The author then goes on to tell the story of Cain, the father of the worldly generations. Once he has told the story of Cain as far as Lamech, he then returns to the line that would be reckoned through Adam, that is, Seth.

The fact that Cain and Abel do not appear in the subsequent genealogy is evidence that Cain's sin of murdering his brother disinherited him from the family. We can only speculate when and how he obtained a wife for himself, being an outcast, but there is no doubt that his wife must have come from Adam's line. As women are not accounted for in genealogies until after the first male heir is born, it's very possible that a daughter of Adam and Eve was sympathetic to Cain and went willingly with him. It's also possible that Cain did not immediately marry, but waited many years after his punishment was pronounced.
 
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This is perhaps one of the most ludicrous claims that has gained popularity in the church today: the idea that, somehow, our increasing intelligence has caused us to be able to accept truths that the dumb cave men (I use this phrase facetiously) God first created couldn't grasp.

The reality is that people were, most likely, much more intelligent when they were first created than we are now. Like everything else in creation, our intellect and ability to reason has depreciated over the years rather than appreciated. This is what makes the idea so ludicrous, because really the converse is true. A realistic concept would look more like this:

It's taken thousands of years for humans to become collectively stupid enough for most mainstream scientists to actually believe the world created itself and life evolved itself.
 
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Like every other ideal, "socialism" only works in a perfect world, which this is not. That is why, throughout the course of history, you see socialism in its various forms fail time and again.

We may have no choice this time as automation becomes the norm which already begun in China due to the rising cost of labor there. While automation is *initially* a good investment, in the long run, it is suicidal. It will push unemployment rates to record highs and which will kill the economy with lack of customers who could afford to buy things.

Everyone will take the hit in this scenario. No one will be spared, rich or poor.....
 
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Yah---God created Adam and Eve with an IQ of 20 ---they sat around the carcass of their latest kill and ate the thing raw until they finally got around to figuring out fire made this stuff taste better---they grunted and pointed to communicate---2 grunts for elephant, 1 for an ant--that's how Adam named the animals, followed by a grunt and a gesture when they ran out of grunts. Moses didn't know how to write the grunts so he just made up the concept of speech before they actually had figured it out just to make it easier for us.

To far a stretch to think that these people had a perfectly functioning brain and that they used all of it. We only live to about 80 now--the last few years are a gradual decline and most have a productive working life of from around 15 to 60, In that short time people have become masters of art, music, dance, metal working, architecture, agriculture, the whole clothing concept and so on. If you can master something in such s short period of time, and you have another several hundred years to perfect that art---why do people think they remained ignorant and stupid? They didn't spend all their time working to produce food like they did after the flood---they had time to learn and investigate and God didn't create Adam with the brain of an infant and wait for him to go to college before He had Adam name the animals. I don't think we have any idea of the abilities these people had. In brain capabilities, I believe they were complete savants----with no idiot part. A savant can memorize entire phone books---play complicated music, produce amazing art--what these people could do we are just getting around to doing. And we are getting to the point they were at when God had to destroy them.

Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron:
 
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