There are no thorns or thistles in my Garden of Eden that I carry around inside of me. Perhaps there is in your Garden of Eden, only you can know that.
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Originally posted by LewisWildermuth
This is just saying that thorns and thistles will appear in the fields where man is trying to grow something else, I asked where it said that there were none in the Garden of Eden like you implied, not where they were used as a curse.
Originally posted by LewisWildermuth
Rocks and plants have no will so they cannot fall away, they can only be pushed away by something that has a will.
Originally posted by JohnR7
There are no thorns or thistles in my Garden of Eden that I carry around inside of me. Perhaps there is in your Garden of Eden, only you can know that.
Originally posted by Chuck_Darwin
Par tof the reason that we have short life spans(relatively speaking) is b/c cancers and other forms of genetic misinformation will have a bad effect on us and our offspring. There is a reason that cancers that kill later in life(after the reproduction cycle of humans) are more prevalent in our species. (Hint: it starts with an e and ends in vultion).
Eph replies...
I'd say that since Adam and Eve were in direct contact with God..they were in direct contact with LIFE itself...They didn't ..." die "...prior to the fall...ONLY when Adam ate from the tree did they both begin to "die"..as we know it...God said they would...so they did...
But they being closer to the source of all life..lived longer because of it...and those who came afterwards also lived longer than we do today.....but for the most part they began to die sooner the further we got from those who were closer to the source of life.....Especially after the Flood of Noah....
Picture it like this..!
As long as a golf cart is "plugged into" the source of electricity...it never runs down.. once it becomes unplugged..It still will run for awhile at full power..BUT over time it begins to lose power until it finally "dies"....same thing happens to man who is now "spiritually"...seperated from God..!
When we were still closer to God after the fall ....we still had "more power" of life....( like a newly unplugged golf cart )...but now...we only have about 80..90 yrs...of "power"...!
Moses BTW when he came down from Mt Sinai...was "glowing"...He was close to the source of life for only 40 days ( at a time )...and he glowed from it...THAT is because he was "recharged" and then lived to be an old man.."full" of his strength till his last day..SEE Deut 34:7...IF you read the Hebrew it says ..Moses could still have sexual intercourse and [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]..at 120 yrs old..!
( The KJ translators cleaned it up and wrote "his natural force"..but that wasn't speaking of his muscles..LOL...it was speaking of his sexual ability at 120..)
Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
now...we only have about 80..90 yrs...of "power"...!
God can add years to that. There are still people living up to almost 120. I could find at least 5 or 6 scriptures that talk about how God can add years to our life.
Proverbs 9:10-11
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
[11] For by me your days will be multiplied,
And years of life will be added to you.
Originally posted by JohnR7
Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.
Eph replies...
This is correct....The question is...? Did he live 130 yrs...counting from the time he FELL...or from the time he was created by God from the dust of the earth..Because prior to his fall..He didn't age..or die..or get old..!
JR says..
We know that Adam was out of the garden by the time he was 130 years old. Most likely he spent his first 100 years in the garden.
Eph writes...
Clearly speculation on your part...Why not guess at 50 yrs..or 37 yrs..? JR...""most likely"" he could have lived in the garden 50 billion yrs...IF we want to guess at it...
Scripturally "all the days" of Adam...were ...930 yrs...Gen 5:5 says He lived 930 yrs...My only point is How long did he live before the fall...He began to age and die the moment he ate from the tree...against the warning God gave him about doing it...NOT before...!
In either case....I can't wait to meet him..!
Originally posted by EPHRIAM777
The question is...? Did he live 130 yrs...counting from the time he FELL...or from the time he was created by God from the dust of the earth..Because prior to his fall..He didn't age..or die..or get old..!
But the earth was still going around the sun and years were still passing.
in the garden 50 billion yrs...IF we want to guess at it...
Scripturally "all the days" of Adam...were ...930 yrs...Gen 5:5 says He lived 930 yrs...My only point is How long did he live before the fall...He began to age and die the moment he ate from the tree...against the warning God gave him about doing it...NOT before...!
I do not think the Adam in the garden was here on the 6 th day of creation. I believe God created him on the 8 th day. The man that God created on the 6 th day was a hunter, or a food gather.
Originally posted by JohnR7
I do not think the Adam in the garden was here on the 6 th day of creation. I believe God created him on the 8 th day. The man that God created on the 6 th day was a hunter, or a food gather.
Eph replies...
JR7...I stick with the Biblical account on all this...So this is were we have to part company on this subject...!
Since the monitors around here have told me I'm "thin ice"... close to being banned..because I don't show christian love...and understanding to others who have some off the wall views....All I can say is....!
Have a nice day...!
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