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Adam and Steve

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You can't be serious with a cliche like that. You're just trying to cause trouble. You haven't said anything profound, but just repeated what tons of other uncreative people have said.

This is about an alternative. Were discussing why God didn't make Steve instead of Eve.

Respect this discussion please. I started this topic, you didn't. So if you don't like it, please post elsewhere.
 
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No seriously. Why is there an Eve instead of a Steve?
God could have created a male partner for Adam instead of a female one.

There was never an Adam or an Eve. The Genesis stories are instructional myths designed to explain why things are the way they are and why life is the way it is.
 
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No they're not myths. Adam and Eve were real people who really existed. Evolution can still be true even with a real Adam and Eve.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Adam_Eve_and_Evolution.asp


Many creation myths are similar to that of Adam and Eve and arose quite independently of the Judeo-Christian tradition. These include:

• the early Greek creation myth;
• the Japanese
• African Bushmen
• the Aboriginal
• the Iroquois
• the Mesopotamian
• the Babylonian
• the Navajo
• the Norse
• the Chinese
• the Lakota
• the Apache
• the Dakota
• and of course, Genesis.

And these are just but a few of the myths.

All speak of a creator, a given instruction, disobedience to the instruction, a fall, and an explanation of why things are the way they are today, e.g., why we have to work, why there is pain, why there is death, etc.
 
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There was never an Adam or an Eve. The Genesis stories are instructional myths designed to explain why things are the way they are and why life is the way it is.
Instructional myths?......Definitely disagree with that

How'd you come to the conclusion that Genesis isnt real?
 
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There was never an Adam or an Eve. The Genesis stories are instructional myths designed to explain why things are the way they are and why life is the way it is.
That's your beliefs. You should say "I believe that..." How did you come up with that view though?
 
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The Genesis Myth

Many creation myths are similar to that of Adam and Eve and arose quite independently of the Judeo-Christian tradition. These include:

• the early Greek creation myth;
• the Japanese
• African Bushmen
• the Aboriginal
• the Iroquois
• the Mesopotamian
• the Babylonian
• the Navajo
• the Norse
• the Chinese
• the Lakota
• the Apache
• the Dakota
• and of course, Genesis.

And these are just but a few of the myths. Others can be found here (with discussion of each).

All speak of a creator, a given instruction, disobedience to the instruction, a fall, and an explanation of why things are the way they are today, e.g., why we have to work, why there is pain, why there is death, etc.

The Flood Myth

Information on the Flood Myth can be found here. Besides the objections listed here, it should be noted that flood myths occur in most civilizations which were prone to periodic flooding, but are conspicuously absent in civilizations which were not prone to flooding.

Moreover, a flood producing enough water to cover the entire planet would require rainfall at the rate of six inches per minute continuously for 40 days. (The world's record for rainfall rate per minute is 1.5 inches.) Saturating the atmosphere with enough moisture to produce that much rainfall would raise the surface pressure to 13,500 pounds/inch^2 (normal is 14.5 pounds/inch^2) which would have crushed every living thing long before the rain started!

Finally, assuming all that rain occurred and water cooled according to the wet adiabatic lapse rate and the water remained liquid above the surface of Mount Everest (39,035 feet) would require the surface temperature at sea level at the time rainfall began to be 137 degrees -- and that temperature would have to be maintained throughout the entire period of the deluge! The world record high temperature is 136 degrees at Azzizya, Libya. Were the temperature at sea level to drop to 72 degrees, the temperature at the surface of the water at 39.335 feet would be -28 F and the water would be frozen to a depth of nearly two miles. Noah and the animals could have walked off the Ark and ice-skated, were it not for the fact that they were 4,000 feet above the "death zone", where the body begins to deterioriate as it literally consumes itself for energy. (In actuality, they could not have remained 4,000 feet above the "Death Zone" for several days without dying.)

The Babel Myth

The Tower of Babel was most likely a ziggurat The Book of Jubilees described it as such:

And they began to build, and in the fourth week they made brick with fire, and the bricks served them for stone, and the clay with which they cemented them together was asphalt which comes out of the sea, and out of the fountains of water in the land of Shinar. And they built it: forty and three years were they building it; its breadth was 203 bricks, and the height [of a brick] was the third of one; its height amounted to 5433 cubits and 2 palms, and [the extent of one wall was] thirteen stades [and of the other thirty stades].(Jubilees 10:20-21)

Which would have indicated a building roughly eight miles tall.

Problem: The Death Zone, which we discussed in The Flood Myth. Assuming a building which was 42,240 feet tall, the last 3.5 miles would have been in the Death Zone -- and anybody who climbed that high carrying the kind of load required to build a stable edifice 8 miles high would have perished before he ever got to the top of the ziggurat!

That's assuming the technology existed before 2,500 BCE (the time of the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza) to build a structure eight miles high.

The Great Pyramid of Giza (which was an actual, known entity) was 480 feet high and was the tallest building prior to the construction of the Lincoln Cathedral in the 14th century.
 
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The Genesis Myth

Many creation myths are similar to that of Adam and Eve and arose quite independently of the Judeo-Christian tradition. These include:

• the early Greek creation myth;
• the Japanese
• African Bushmen
• the Aboriginal
• the Iroquois
• the Mesopotamian
• the Babylonian
• the Navajo
• the Norse
• the Chinese
• the Lakota
• the Apache
• the Dakota
• and of course, Genesis.

And these are just but a few of the myths. Others can be found here (with discussion of each).

All speak of a creator, a given instruction, disobedience to the instruction, a fall, and an explanation of why things are the way they are today, e.g., why we have to work, why there is pain, why there is death, etc.

The Flood Myth

Information on the Flood Myth can be found here. Besides the objections listed here, it should be noted that flood myths occur in most civilizations which were prone to periodic flooding, but are conspicuously absent in civilizations which were not prone to flooding.

Moreover, a flood producing enough water to cover the entire planet would require rainfall at the rate of six inches per minute continuously for 40 days. (The world's record for rainfall rate per minute is 1.5 inches.) Saturating the atmosphere with enough moisture to produce that much rainfall would raise the surface pressure to 13,500 pounds/inch^2 (normal is 14.5 pounds/inch^2) which would have crushed every living thing long before the rain started!

Finally, assuming all that rain occurred and water cooled according to the wet adiabatic lapse rate and the water remained liquid above the surface of Mount Everest (39,035 feet) would require the surface temperature at sea level at the time rainfall began to be 137 degrees -- and that temperature would have to be maintained throughout the entire period of the deluge! The world record high temperature is 136 degrees at Azzizya, Libya. Were the temperature at sea level to drop to 72 degrees, the temperature at the surface of the water at 39.335 feet would be -28 F and the water would be frozen to a depth of nearly two miles. Noah and the animals could have walked off the Ark and ice-skated, were it not for the fact that they were 4,000 feet above the "death zone", where the body begins to deterioriate as it literally consumes itself for energy. (In actuality, they could not have remained 4,000 feet above the "Death Zone" for several days without dying.)

The Babel Myth

The Tower of Babel was most likely a ziggurat The Book of Jubilees described it as such:

And they began to build, and in the fourth week they made brick with fire, and the bricks served them for stone, and the clay with which they cemented them together was asphalt which comes out of the sea, and out of the fountains of water in the land of Shinar. And they built it: forty and three years were they building it; its breadth was 203 bricks, and the height [of a brick] was the third of one; its height amounted to 5433 cubits and 2 palms, and [the extent of one wall was] thirteen stades [and of the other thirty stades].(Jubilees 10:20-21)​

Which would have indicated a building roughly eight miles tall.

Problem: The Death Zone, which we discussed in The Flood Myth. Assuming a building which was 42,240 feet tall, the last 3.5 miles would have been in the Death Zone -- and anybody who climbed that high carrying the kind of load required to build a stable edifice 8 miles high would have perished before he ever got to the top of the ziggurat!

That's assuming the technology existed before 2,500 BCE (the time of the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza) to build a structure eight miles high.

The Great Pyramid of Giza (which was an actual, known entity) was 480 feet high and was the tallest building prior to the construction of the Lincoln Cathedral in the 14th century.
Thanks for responding to my question...However, all im seeing is limitations being put on a God who has no limits. So called facts and statistics by man are proven wrong everyday, so I'd personally rather believe the Word of God, which in my life, has never been wrong yet.

Also, saying that there are many myths similar to the Adam and Eve story, doesn't make the Adam and Eve story itself be a myth....There're many myths about billions of gods. Does that mean that the one true God is a myth too? Seeing as all those other gods are myths?

There's some other things id like to say, but i've gotta go...take care, thanks for responding to my post though.
 
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Thanks for responding to my question...However, all im seeing is limitations being put on a God who has no limits. So called facts and statistics by man are proven wrong everyday, so I'd personally rather believe the Word of God, which in my life, has never been wrong yet.

Also, saying that there are many myths similar to the Adam and Eve story, doesn't make the Adam and Eve story itself be a myth....There're many myths about billions of gods. Does that mean that the one true God is a myth too? Seeing as all those other gods are myths?

There's some other things id like to say, but i've gotta go...take care, thanks for responding to my post though.
:amen:
 
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