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LOL this kills me. "Genesis was written for a primitive people without scientific understanding."
That statement is an all out bald faced lie that is perpetrated to convince you to believe exactly what your are trying to state here.
They may not of had cell phones, airplanes and atomic submarines but they had the same intelligence as we do today. They accomplished more with less than we have today.
Just google the Antikythera Mechanism, 2000 year old batteries, Caves near Mount Baigong in China contain pipes leading to a nearby lake. They were dated by the Beijing Institute of Geology to about 150,000 years ago, A drill bit had been found encapsulated in coal about 22 inches thick, buried in a bed of clay mixed with boulders about 7 feet thick, spheres with fine grooves around them found in mines in South Africa have been said by some to be naturally formed masses of mineral matter. Others have said they were precisely shaped by a prehistoric human hand.
“The globes, which have a fibrous structure on the inside with a shell around it, are very hard and cannot be scratched, even by steel,” said Roelf Marx, curator of the museum of Klerksdorp, South Africa, according to Michael Cremo’s book “Forbidden Archaeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race.” Marx said the spheres are about 2.8 billion years old.
The Iron Pillar of Delhi.
http://www.ancient-origins.net/unex...-found-south-africa-how-were-they-made-002018
A hammer was found in London, Texas, in 1934 encased in stone that had formed around it. The rock surrounding the hammer is said to be more than 100 million years old. The metal the hammer is made of is of unknown source.
A 500,000-Year-Old Spark Plug.
Not to mention the pyramids, and the too numerous to mention megaliths around the globe. Many of which are perfectly aligned with, not only each other but astrological charts.
Also, in Peru there are super hard rocks with perfectly round holes drilled through them with and others machined into shapes with right angles that are so straight and sharp that you can still cut yourself on them today..........and..........they fit together like legos...
Ya..... how arrogant of us to say that we are so much smarter..... duh.... Moses, who wrote most of the first 5 books of the bible had the best education of the Egyptian people. As did Jacob...
So, nope.... not buying the whole goat herder mentality hoax.....
And sin is mans substitute for loss of relationship with our creator began and passed through Adam to us all , we must perform it to fulfill the void of Gods presence, it is as natural law as is gravity . Looking for loopholes or justification outside Gods Word is at the core of sin .
Irrelevant to the discussion. I could ask you if youre familiar with angular unconformities that are offset within the Appalachian mountains.
God is clear in how He created a world with an ancient and rich past, far older than 6000 years.
Who is rejecting the Bible? I reject a literal interpretation. I believe that the Biblical lessons are truth.
What I do not reject are creationists. I do not question your faith or your place in heaven simply because we disagree on interpretation of scripture. We all believe that God created the universe and sent His Son Jesus Christ for our salvation. We are all Christians.
Read more of the Bible.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:15 ... For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Adam as a created man by God, not evolved, became a sinner with a fallen nature called the sin nature. Jesus came as a man birthed into creation without sin, taking on our sin nature: (he who knew no sin became sin that we might become the righteousness of God - 2 Cor. 5:21) so we can be partakers of the divine nature (2 Pet. 1:4). Evolution is a direct attack on the Gospel.
I choose not to laugh at my fellow believers.
This is a discussion of theology - it can be respectful.
Science is not the topic. Combining evolution with God's creation is the topic. Evolution is not science. It is the interpretation of scientific observation from the secular humanist point of view that denies God and His creating the world.I believe Jesus was teaching to a people who had not made scientific advances.
Doesn't mean I do not believe in mankind's sinful nature and need for salvation through Jesus.
Check that too...... they were not so inept as we are lead to believe. They may not of had astrophysics but like I said, they didn't have cell phones either.I didn't say we are smarter - I meant more advanced. Especially in geology, astronomy, astrophysics, etc.
I am not looking for loopholes. I am interpreting scripture the way I, and many others, think it should be. Sin is turning away from God - ignoring the lessons His Word has to teach. It has nothing to do with creationism vs evolution.
No it does not. The interpretation of the records by secular humanists come up with evolution as an answer. There are Creation Scientists that give biblical accounts for those supposed records. Russel Humphreys gives a theory on how starlight and time could be made into long time with a young Earth. Not that I need that answer, because God can create the appearance of age.
No one believed in theistic evolution until Darwin became popular with the secular world. Then theologians to accommodate Darwin at the turn of the 20th century came up with the Gap Theory eisegetically reading between the lines of Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
I am always puzzled why so many Christians believe the world instead of God.
Evolution is science. I'm paid as a scientist, and one of the things I study is evolution. If it isn't science, then both I and my employers are badly mistaken -- as are all of the funding agencies, research universities, scientific professional associations, scientific publishers and national academies of science in the world.Evolution is not science.
I am not a secular humanist, do not deny God, affirm that he created the world, and yet I am fully convinced that human beings are the product of evolution.It is the interpretation of scientific observation from the secular humanist point of view that denies God and His creating the world.
No one is saved by believing in anything but only God and the one whom He sent -- Christ, and never by believing some person's way of reading and making presumptions about time periods in genesis that some believers think is the right way, instead of another way some other believers think is the right way.
Those interpretations of all kinds, young Earth or old, are not a sound basis for faith, but Christ says that as a basis for faith that all such things are --
"sand".
Matthew ch 7
More unbelief.This is my own speculative framework for reconciling the evidence for evolution with the biblical truth of an historical Adam and Eve. This is just a brief sketch of the position, I plan to greatly develop this view in a proper essay when I get the time.
First off, what does the science tell us about human origins? Anatomically modern homo sapien sapiens emerged approximately 150-200,000 years ago, the human population was never at any time less than a few thousand individuals, and there is such a thing as a chromosomal Adam and a mitochondrial Eve from whom all individuals are descended. As Dr. Craig has pointed out, there are indications these days that this "Adam" and "Eve" may have been contemporaneous. My framework operates on the presupposition of the truth of this premise but is not inextricably bound to it.
Now that we have the basic scientific premeses out of the way, we need to establish the basic theological framework upon which this model is based. The evolutionary creationism i hold to is grounded in the reformed doctrine, best elaborated in the Westminster confession, that God foreordains "whatsoever comes to pass". Extrapolated into the sciences, this would mean that nothing is truly "random" but may merely appear that way. Each and every "random" genetic variation and environmental contingency, the backbones of descent with modification by means of natural selection, have been predestined by the creator. So based on this theological framework, we can put forward a model of evolutionary creationism wherby God, by means of predestination and divine providence, brought about by natural processes the whole of the diversity of life on earth. This process was wholly guided by God in that each and every event, down to the most miniscule, was foreordained, and yet all was accomplished by means of natural processes which God himself authored and used as the means of his creative work. This model of evolutionary creationism is completely consistent with the scientific record, and will serve as the foundation for our forthcoming speculations concerning human origins.
Before we may properly put forth a model of human origins we must first establish a basic theological framework for understanding the relationship of God and man. The basic theological principle which we shall here employ is the principle of covenant relationship. God enters into relationship with man by means of covenants. Following the classical reformed tradition, we can understand the relationship of God with the first man, Adam, as a covenant of works whereby eternal life is promised on condition of perfect obedience, while death is solemnly threatened on condition of disobedience. This understanding of the first covenant between God and man is essential to understanding Paul's exposition of the gospel in the epistle to the Romans and, as such, is key to our Christian faith. Though Christians may differ on the precise nature of this first covenant, it should at least be clear that an historical Adam is necessary for such a covenant to have existed at all, and is further rendered necessary by Pauls covenantal comparison of Christ and Adam in the epistle to the Romans.
All of this being said, we must conclude that bible-believing Christians must affirm the existence of a literal Adam whom God entered into a covenant with. Note that this is not to say that the early chapters of Genesis are necessarily a literal chronological account of these primevil events. Now here we run into a real issue; how can the scientific evidence of evolution and population genetics be reconciled with the biblically necessary truth of a first man, Adam, from whom all modern humans are descended? Given that we have already described the basic scientific data that lays before us, as well as the necessary theological foundations, we may now construct a model of the historical Adam within the context of our modern scientific knowledge.
My first presupposition is that the nature of humanity is most fundamentally theological not biological. This is critically important to my argument, as i will argue that an anatomically modern homo sapien sapien is not necessarily human in the full and proper sense. Rather, what makes a human a human is the image of God. Now the bible declares that God is spirit, so it is logical to conclude that the image of God is none other than a spiritual nature. So we can define a human as a homo sapien sapien that possesses a spirit, or a spiritual nature. So a human is a composit of a biological nature and a spiritual nature, and if either is lacking it cannot be said to be truly or fully human. This is also, as an aside, why bodily resurrection is so central to the record of divine revelation. This physical/spiritual composite nature of man is the anthropological basis of my model.
Now we get into the gist of the model itself. I will grant the conclusions of evolutionary biology and population genetics that homo sapien sapiens evolved by means of descent with modification from a common primate anscestor. I will also grant that the homo sapien sapien population was never less than a few thousand individuals. So where does the historical Adam and Eve come in?
Taking an initial localized homo sapien sapien population of a few thousand, in the very distant past, it is conceivable that God, wishing to create man and enter into covenant with him, elected one male and one female out of this population to be the subjects of his covenant. This would be Adam and Eve. He chose these two individuals and supernaturally infused a spirit, or spiritual nature, within them. Thereby it can be properly said, as Genesis 1 declares, that he made them male and female in the image of God. Being made in the image of God, this pair is now truly human and fitting subjects for Gods covenant. All modern human beings are descended from this historical pair. Over the course of time, by Gods providence, those homo sapiens who did not descend from this pair were rendered extinct. I will further presuppose that this pair corresponds to chromosomal Adam and mitochondrial Eve, though this may not be strictly necessary for the validity of the model.
This model simultaneously and rationally affirms a literal Adam and Eve from whom all modern humans are descended, while also affirming the reality of human evolution and the base population models of population genetics. Nothing in this model should contradict any piece of genetic evidence, as all descendents of Adam and Eve would share genetic traits all the way down the evolutionary chain, while still in reality being descended from two individuals.
This is a rough sketch of my model, which i hope to refine and further develop. I would greatly appreciate thoughts and constructive criticism. Thank you.
Evolution is science. I'm paid as a scientist, and one of the things I study is evolution. If it isn't science, then both I and my employers are badly mistaken -- as are all of the funding agencies, research universities, scientific professional associations, scientific publishers and national academies of science in the world.
I am not a secular humanist, do not deny God, affirm that he created the world, and yet I am fully convinced that human beings are the product of evolution.
Try again.
http://www.ancient-origins.net/unex...-found-south-africa-how-were-they-made-002018
A hammer was found in London, Texas, in 1934 encased in stone that had formed around it. The rock surrounding the hammer is said to be more than 100 million years old. The metal the hammer is made of is of unknown source.
A 500,000-Year-Old Spark Plug.
And I could ask you how blood and blood vessels can survive in a T-Rex thigh bone for 200 million years intact .. Or how a fresh hatched snail carbon dates over 2000 yrs , or explanation of the life cycle of the guinea worm and don't even try to get me to buy your theory of how cells came into being from anything but supernatural call to being ..
Neither of these claims have any scientific report associated with them.
Does abiogenesis ?
We know what He taught.We have no idea if Christ was a YEC.
Show me the research and I will elaborate. Ill be waiting.
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