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Not so. Waffles can't factor in a way to the occurance of the president's birthday. However, a supernatural God can bring forth a universe.

true. but the simply fact that a universe exists at all does not mean that the presence of a god is the only way the universe could have been formed.

I mean, I could say, "There are shoes made overnight, therefore there are shoe-making elves." I could justify that with the same logic that you used: shoe making elves can make the shoes overnight. but that doesn't mean that the shoe-making elves are the ONLY explanation.

Likewise, God is not the only explanation for the universe.
 
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Let me add to this conversation, had you been my student:

AV: 'I guess'? What does that mean? Are you really familiar with the constellations like you think you are? Here, let me tell you Who Orion really is, and what happens when He brings that club down.

Then, if you're still bored...
 
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Orion was a hunter from Greek Mythology.
Orion is a type of the Lord Jesus Christ in Hebrew prophecy.

A serpent is about to strike His heel, and He is about to crush its head.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
 
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What are you talking about?

 
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What are you talking about?
Hebrew, Ezio -- Hebrew.

Put your Greek aside, the Hebrews came long before the Greeks did, and they recognized Orion as something else.

My favorite example is Aries.

Known as 'The Ram' in Greek, it was known as 'The Lamb' in Hebrew.

And in typology, it is The Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world; as John the [fundamental independent] Baptist attested:

John 1:29 ¶ The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Now you know why the sun went dark from 12:00 to 3:00 on the day Jesus was crucified.

Neat, eh?
 
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Now, when will you learn? Don't quote the Bible to someone who doesn't believe it, because it means nothing to them!

Well if there was the intention to override your belief that the bible writers and the Harry Potter writers were under the same conditions and had the same intents, then you have every reason to defend your belief. If there wasn't the intention, then the citation of your beliefs as a rebut means nothing to someone who doesn't believe in them("!"). There is only the neutral exchange.



Likewise, God is not the only explanation for the universe.[/quote]

And that would be the belief that God is comparable to shoe making elves in addition to the belief that the bible writers were under the same conditions as you are right now; "just saying" that life and its abode were created by an entity without actually experiencing anything. And that would go back to the manner of man present. Which would go back to Creationism/Darwinism. As an atheist who honors the belief that a universal intelligence emerged from ignorance, it is only natural that it is any explanation but an intelligence. This belief is not shared though. And the pinnacle of discoveries, is simultaneously at the beginning.
 
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Well, you did refer to the constellation as Orion instead of it's Hebrew name. Here's something you might have said to make it a little clearer:

AV: "I guess?" To the Hebrew, the constellation Orion was Jesus crushing a serpent!" Or something of that sort.
 
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And that would be the belief that God is comparable to shoe making elves in addition to the belief that the bible writers were under the same conditions as you are right now; "just saying" that life and its abode were created by an entity without actually experiencing anything. And that would go back to the manner of man present. Which would go back to Creationism/Darwinism. As an atheist who honors the belief that a universal intelligence emerged from ignorance, it is only natural that it is any explanation but an intelligence. This belief is not shared though. And the pinnacle of discoveries, is simultaneously at the beginning.[/quote]



Excellent points here. Dont you find it ironic that many in here can compare the living God with elves, pink unicorns santa clause Harry Potter and other obvious fairy tales? Comparing making shoes to the universe though is quite a stretch. That's like comparing a lobe finned fish with the aid of natural selection adding pressure to random mutations (most of which are detrimental) over an extensive period of time will produce humans to a metal scrap yard with the aid of a series of tornados adding pressure over the equivalent amount of time will produce a boing 747.
 
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Look, when we find evidence of a god he'll be factored in to the equations and theories. But until we find a burning bush that sounds like Charleston Heston, we'll keep going where the evidence leads.
The evidence is leading you down the wrong path.

It is leading you to thermal equilibrium, but the [written] signs say:

WARNING!



FIRE LAKE AHEAD
 
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I'll have to laugh if a meteorite DOES strike your toe in the next four minutes
Trouble is, would you survive that event, to let us know
Sorry, really, I probably shouldnt have asked how you know..I just like reading these threads.
This kid was actually hit by a meteor the size of a pea, albeit it only clipped his hand!
 
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I'm afraid they won't be able to entertain you; they'll be busy with other things:

Matthew 8:22 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Of course Hell doesn't exist and was only used to keep the peasants in line so that they didn't overthrow the "divinely chosen" king.
 
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