Adam and Eve: Commentary on The Fall

[theseed]

[bible]Genesis 3:1-3[/bible]

Much can be learned the fall of Adam and Eve in regards to sin.

1)Sin always questions God's truth or word.
They had knowledge of sin, they understood what it meant to disobey God. However, instead of obeying God, they decided that what he said was not true (Gen. 3.4).

2)Sin always strikes at the basis for moral standards.
They decided that it was not immoral to disobey God because they would "be like God". Rather than looking to God for wisdom on morality, they believed that the Tree would make them wise (3.6).


3)All sin involves from thoughts of athiesm. Sin asks the question, "Who am I" and "Who is God", although not always consciensiously.
They decided that they didn't need God. They thought they could be equal to God in knowing Good and Evil. Once they ate the fruit, thier eyes were opened to sin, and they experienced guilt (3.7). They did not know sin intimately, this is indicated by the word ya'da in Hebrew which is often used for sex (Gen. 4.1, 4.17).


4)Sin always consist of the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the boast ful pride of life.
[bible]1 John 2:16[/bible]
a)Lust of the flesh--Eve saw that the tree "was good for food" (3.6).
b)Lust of the eyes--"pleasant to the eyes" (
c)boastful pride of life--"to be desired to make one wise" (3.6); "and ye shall be as Gods" (3.5); "ye shall not surely die" (3.4



5)Sin is always foolish.
Also, we see that sin is always foolish, it is the fool who has said in his heart, "There is no God" (Psalm 14.1). In Proverbs, it is the fool who sins perpetually and purposely (10.23; 12.15; 14.7, 16; 15.5; 18.2) . There was no reason for A&E to disobey God, there was no need to eat the fruit, and yet they did.
[bible]Psalm 14:1-3[/bible]

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Numerals 1-3, and 5 paraprased from Systematic Theology by Wayne Grudem; 1994 © P. 492-493; Ch. 24, part B.

 

[andy153]

Genesis 3:1-31 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Much can be learned the fall of Adam and Eve in regards to sin.


I agree


1)Sin always questions God's truth or word.
They had knowledge of sin, they understood what it meant to disobey God. However, instead of obeying God, they decided that what he said was not true (Gen. 3.4).


So you believe that Adam and Eve had knowledge of sin before they ate of the tree of good and evil. I disagree, you cannot know the taste of any fruit before it is eaten.


2)Sin always strikes at the basis for moral standards.
They decided that it was not immoral to disobey God because they would "be like God". Rather than looking to God for wisdom on morality, they believed that the Tree would make them wise (3.6).


can you be more specific ? what do you mean by moral standards ?



3)All sin involves from thoughts of athiesm. Sin asks the question, "Who am I" and "Who is God", although not always consciensiously.
They decided that they didn't need God. They thought they could be equal to God in knowing Good and Evil. Once they ate the fruit, thier eyes were opened to sin, and they experienced guilt (3.7). They did not know sin intimately, this is indicated by the word ya'da in Hebrew which is often used for sex (Gen. 4.1, 4.17).



So Adam and Eve never knew who God was ? Where does it say in scripture that they deciced they didn't need God ?


4)Sin always consist of the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the boast ful pride of life.
1 John 2:16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
a)Lust of the flesh--Eve saw that the tree "was good for food" (3.6).
b)Lust of the eyes--"pleasant to the eyes" (
c)boastful pride of life--"to be desired to make one wise" (3.6); "and ye shall be as Gods" (3.5); "ye shall not surely die" (3.4


Are you saying Adam and Eve were motivated by lust ?




5)Sin is always foolish.
Also, we see that sin is always foolish, it is the fool who has said in his heart, "There is no God" (Psalm 14.1). In Proverbs, it is the fool who sins perpetually and purposely (10.23; 12.15; 14.7, 16; 15.5; 18.2) . There was no reason for A&E to disobey God, there was no need to eat the fruit, and yet they did.
Verse not found.


Are only fools sinners ? Did God create Adam and Eve foolish ???

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Numerals 1-3, and 5 paraprased from Systematic Theology by Wayne Grudem; 1994 © P. 492-493; Ch. 24, part B.

With love and respect, andy153

 

[theseed]

So you believe that Adam and Eve had knowledge of sin before they ate of the tree of good and evil. I disagree, you cannot know the taste of any fruit before it is eaten.

You are equating "eating fruit" with sin. I am saying they knew of sin, not that they had experienced sin.

can you be more specific ? what do you mean by moral standards ?

By moral standards, I mean what is right and what is wrong.

Are you saying Adam and Eve were motivated by lust ?

Yes, especially Eve--in part.

Are only fools sinners ? Did God create Adam and Eve foolish ???

Sinners are fools. God is not the author of sin. We see that also in Genesis 3, that Adam and Eve chose to sin.

 

[andy153]

You are equating "eating fruit" with sin. I am saying they knew of sin, not that they had experienced sin.

so Adam and Eve before they ate the fruit had knowledge of sin ? They knew of sin, they knew the effects of sin and they knew the consquence of sin ? Yet they did not know good from Evil

By moral standards, I mean what is right and what is wrong.

so are you saying that they thought it wasn't wrong to disobey God because they would become like God ???

Yes, especially Eve--in part.

Are you implying here that Eve was motivated by sexual desire ???

Sinners are fools. God is not the author of sin. We see that also in Genesis 3, that Adam and Eve chose to sin.

So were Adam and Eve created fools ??? I ask the question as one fool to another



with love and respect, andy153

 

[theseed]

so Adam and Eve before they ate the fruit had knowledge of sin ? They knew of sin, they knew the effects of sin and they knew the consquence of sin ? Yet they did not know good from Evil

No, they knew of good and evil.

so are you saying that they thought it wasn't wrong to disobey God because they would become like God ???

Yes

Are you implying here that Eve was motivated by sexual desire ???

No, why would you think that?

So were Adam and Eve created fools ??? I ask the question as one fool to another

God did not deliberately make fools. They chose to be fools.

 

[andy153]

No, they knew of good and evil.

it is impossible for Adam or Eve to have knowledge of good & evil before they had eaten of its fruit.

Yes

I disagree that Adam and Eve sinned because they expressed a desire to be equal with God.

No, why would you think that?

because of this post you made earlier with reference to sin and sex

They did not know sin intimately, this is indicated by the word ya'da in Hebrew which is often used for sex

God did not deliberately make fools. They chose to be fools

As all have sinned are all men fools ?

with love and respect, andy153

 

[theseed]

it is impossible for Adam or Eve to have knowledge of good & evil before they had eaten of its fruit.

Prove it.

I disagree that Adam and Eve sinned because they expressed a desire to be equal with God.

You disagree with Scripture (God's word).

because of this post you made earlier with reference to sin and sex

I have made no post about sex.

As all have sinned are all men fools ?

Outside of Christ.

 

[andy153]

Dear theseed,

I have no desire to prove anything to you, would you accept my proof ? You should only accept proof from God.

However, I will say that God makes it clear in Genesis 3:22 that they only knew good and evil after they have eaten

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:

God says that they have come to a knowledge of good and evil, after they have eaten of the fruit.

What Adam and Eve knew was the Law and the consequence for breaking it. Sin was contained within the in the law and up to the point when the law was broken they had no knowledge of sin.

Iam unaware of any scripture that says Adam or Eve desired to break the law to become like God.

This is what I was refering to with the sex thing sorry if I misunderstood you.

They did not know sin intimately, this is indicated by the word ya'da in Hebrew which is often used for sex

As far as the fools thing goes I feel just because we are sometimes foolish does not mean we are fools.

thanks for your response, andy153

 

[theseed]

[QUOTEandy153]I have no desire to prove anything to you, would you accept my proof ? You should only accept proof from God.[/QUOTE]

You are making some claims that I don't see in Scripture. I am just asking that you back it up. I don't have to prove anything to you either.

What Adam and Eve knew was the Law and the consequence for breaking it. Sin was contained within the in the law and up to the point when the law was broken they had no knowledge of sin.

Sin was around, because of Satan. Also, sin existed before The Law of Moses.

I am unaware of any scripture that says Adam or Eve desired to break the law to become like God.

Genesis 3
5"For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and (D)you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

This indicates that Eve wanted to be like God, to be wise as God his, but in reality she was foolish.

As far as the fools thing goes I feel just because we are sometimes foolish does not mean we are fools.[/QUOTE]

We are all fools at one time or another. Your statement is like saying, "just because we commit crimes sometimes does not mean we are criminals".

 

[holyrokker]

They knew that their action (eating the fruit) was against God's will. So they knew that what they were doing was wrong.

Genesis 3:6 "When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food (lust of the flesh) and pleasing to the eye(lust of the eyes), and also desirable for gaining wisdom(pride of life), she took some and ate it."