Adam and Eve and all the kids

[MarkFiles]

I am sorry if this is a thread repeat but "search" acts uncooperatively for me right now.

I'm in a discussion on another site with a guy about evolution and in this case, "how did 'races' arise?". I was reminded whilst browsing the web that 4 blood types flow through everyone on the planet, all of whom are able to create children with any other people group, of course; the differences between people, physically, becomes very marginal, technically, and appear to be drastically different merely because we're visual creatures.

Is it possible, genetically, and Scripturally, that Adam and Eve gave birth to people of different 'colors' and bone structures? In other words, was the original event of childbirth filled with colorful surprises?

Is our now 'segregated' world a result of a genetic split of sorts? Because Adam and Eve's genes were perfect, did it somehow enable them to have variously colored offspring?

I know this isn't terribly important, but this stems from a discussion I'm sort of having about evolution and human history. I say "sort of" because neither of us know much about these things, lol, but we're discussing it.

 

[MrPolo]

I think the environment has a certain affect on skin darkness or thickness over time. Bear you in mind I find nothing in evolution that is a threat to Christianity as long as the evolutionist does not try to impose the concept of evolution into a soul.

 

[St_Worm2]

Is it possible, genetically, and Scripturally, that Adam and Eve gave birth to people of different 'colors' and bone structures? In other words, was the original event of childbirth filled with colorful surprises?

Hi Mark, since we are all descended from only one of Adam's sons, Seth, the science really doesn't matter here, does it!? (Adam>Seth>Noah>Noah's sons>...............)

Is our now 'segregated' world a result of a genetic split of sorts? Because Adam and Eve's genes were perfect, did it somehow enable them to have variously colored offspring?

Our world was segregated because of our disobedience. God repeated His command to our post-Flood ancestors in Genesis 9:1 to "be fruitful and multiply and FILL THE EARTH". But if you remember, the people decided to settle (in Babylon) rather than scatter. It's only here, from the Bible, that we learn the true origin of peoples and nations and why we have various languages (see Gen. 11). We were a people of one heritage and one language, but the Lord came down and 'confused their language' and caused the various tribes or families to "separate ... everyone according to his language" (Gen. 10:5). The Lord "scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth" (Gen. 11:8).

As for our "marginal" physical differences, I'm with Mr. Polo on that one, at least as a starting off point. The environment our ancestors ended up living in certainly played a role in changing their outward physical appearances as their bodies adapted to the various living conditions they were now faced with.

I know this isn't terribly important, but this stems from a discussion I'm sort of having about evolution and human history. I say "sort of" because neither of us know much about these things, lol, but we're discussing it.

Hey, I disagree! I think this is a "terribly important" subject and a very interesting one. I'd love to know what you guys come up with if you have the time.

Yours and His,
David

 

[lilmissmontana]

I am sorry if this is a thread repeat but "search" acts uncooperatively for me right now.

I'm in a discussion on another site with a guy about evolution and in this case, "how did 'races' arise?". I was reminded whilst browsing the web that 4 blood types flow through everyone on the planet, all of whom are able to create children with any other people group, of course; the differences between people, physically, becomes very marginal, technically, and appear to be drastically different merely because we're visual creatures.

Is it possible, genetically, and Scripturally, that Adam and Eve gave birth to people of different 'colors' and bone structures? In other words, was the original event of childbirth filled with colorful surprises?

Is our now 'segregated' world a result of a genetic split of sorts? Because Adam and Eve's genes were perfect, did it somehow enable them to have variously colored offspring?

I know this isn't terribly important, but this stems from a discussion I'm sort of having about evolution and human history. I say "sort of" because neither of us know much about these things, lol, but we're discussing it.

Here is what is truth to me.

Genesis 1:27

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2:5-7

And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to til the ground.
But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
And the Lord formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.



These are what is known as the sixth and the eighth day creation. There is much difference of opinion here so you will want to study this for yourself. I'm solid in my knowledge of this. You must make your own choice.

The sixth - the races,
the eighth - Adam ... the lineage Christ would come from.


Genesis 4:16,17

And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
And Cain knew his wife ...


Did you ever ask yourself where Cain's wife came from ... now you know the answer ... of the sixth day creation ... the races.

God bless!

 

[dayhiker]

Hi,
I don't see any reason why all of the human race can't have decended from one couple. Indeed while scientist don't like it they says some genitic studys say that we are all decended from one woman. They said in the article I read that we shouldn't think of it in terms of Genesis. But that's exactly what the data sounded like to me.
Also think I read something about a study that we were from one man also. Was it micro something?

 

[St_Worm2]

Here is what is truth to me.
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 2:5-7
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to til the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the Lord formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
These are what is known as the sixth and the eighth day creation. There is much difference of opinion here so you will want to study this for yourself. I'm solid in my knowledge of this. You must make your own choice.
The sixth - the races,
the eighth - Adam ... the lineage Christ would come from.

Hi LilMiss, I have a few questions if that's ok.

First, which part of the 6th day of Creation talks specifically about "races"? I only see one race being created by God here (Gen. 1:26-29), the human race, right? One race, two genders, where do you find evidence of anything beyond that?

Second, if verses 2:5-7 are the description of an 'eighth day' of Creation, where did all the plants go from day three of Creation?

Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. Gen. 1:11
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No shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted Gen. 2:5a
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Third, if man (in general) was created on the 6th Day, why were there no men around on the "8th" Day (see the end of v2:5b)?

Fourth, even if the various "races" were created on the 6th Day of Creation, I don't understand how that would have any bearing on us today considering that the entire world, every man, woman, and child (save Noah and his immediate family) died in the Flood (see Genesis 9-11). Today we are all the descendants of a single lineage that began with Adam and ran through Seth to Noah.

Finally, if God had already created men/women on the 6th Day, why did He choose to create another, less perfect man, on the 8th Day ... the man who, unlike any "6th Day man" before him (in your schema), sinned, separated all of us from God, and became the root cause of this world's suffering, decay, and death? (see Romans 5:12, 1 Cor. 15:22)

Yours and His,
David

 

[marlowe007]

If all humans were descended from Adam, then creationists must prove that Cain married his sister. In the Bible, if read literally, Cain was married before Adam had yet had a daughter. One might say that there were earlier daughters whose births were simply not recorded; but it's only at Genesis 5:4 that we read of Adam having daughters, after the birth of his third child Seth.

 

[St_Worm2]

If all humans were descended from Adam, then creationists must prove that Cain married his sister. In the Bible, if read literally, Cain was married before Adam had yet had a daughter. One might say that there were earlier daughters whose births were simply not recorded; but it's only at Genesis 5:4 that we read of Adam having daughters, after the birth of his third child Seth.

Hi Marlowe, I don't believe there's enough information provided to completely "prove" anything about this particular situation in the Bible. But if you choose to believe the Bible when it says that we all trace our ancestry to a single pair of humans, then Cain would have had to marry one of his sisters or one of his nieces, the daughter of one of his brothers and sisters who were simply not mentioned in the Biblical account.

Also, taking the Bible "literally" does not necessarily mean that narrative portions of it (which this section of Genesis certainly is) are written 'chronologically', like the chapters of Genesis form some sort of timeline as well (you need only look back to the Creation account in Genesis 1 & 2 or forward to the account of the Flood in Genesis 6-9 to see more evidence of that fact).

Yours and His,
David

 

[lilmissmontana]

All good questions ... I haven't looked at my study in eons ... I'll see if I can find it and post how I got there ... God bless!