Acts 15

[PinkTulip]

Okay, I am going to finally post this AGAIN (because no one ever answers it)

And so the debate continues regarding the Law, Gospel and homosexuality. Some of you state that Levitical law does not apply. The same thing was being debated 2000 years ago and it was settled in Acts 15.

19"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."

28It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

The above was referring to the Law. I think it is clear that these Laws refer to us as Christians. So why are we debating it?

 

[Chie]

Okay, I am going to finally post this AGAIN (because no one ever answers it)

And so the debate continues regarding the Law, Gospel and homosexuality. Some of you state that Levitical law does not apply. The same thing was being debated 2000 years ago and it was settled in Acts 15.

19"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."

28It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

The above was referring to the Law. I think it is clear that these Laws refer to us as Christians. So why are we debating it?

Because some do not see the choice of ones sexual preference as being sexual immoral, so the debate continues, people will not live what they do not believe.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

I saw sexual immorality which could be ANYTHING and idolatry.

No homosexuality.

And either way, English translation doesn't equal God's word.

 

[Der Alte]

I [SIZE=-1]saw sexual immorality which could be ANYTHING and idolatry.

No homosexuality.

And either way, English translation doesn't equal God's word.[/SIZE]

Then please do give us the only true translation of the original language? Shall I quote the interpretation of the early church again? That is the closest any of us will have to, directly from God's lips to our ears, in this lifetime.

[SIZE=+1]Acts 15:19 διο εγω κρινω μη παρενοχλειν τοις απο των εθνων επιστρεφουσιν επι τον θεον
20 αλλα επιστειλαι αυτοις του απεχεσθαι απο των αλισγηματων των ειδωλων και της πορνειας και του πνικτου και του αιματος
21 μωσης γαρ εκ γενεων αρχαιων κατα πολιν τους κηρυσσοντας αυτον εχει εν ταις συναγωγαις κατα παν σαββατον αναγινωσκομενος

28 εδοξεν γαρ τω αγιω πνευματι και ημιν μηδεν πλεον επιτιθεσθαι υμιν βαρος πλην των επαναγκες τουτων
29 απεχεσθαι ειδωλοθυτων και αιματος και πνικτου και πορνειας εξ ων διατηρουντες εαυτους ευ πραξετε ερρωσθε[/SIZE]
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[Brieuse]

Then please do give us the only true translation of the original language? Shall I quote the interpretation of the early church again? That is the closest any of us will have to, directly from God's lips to our ears, in this lifetime.

[SIZE=+1]Acts 15:19 διο εγω κρινω μη παρενοχλειν τοις απο των εθνων επιστρεφουσιν επι τον θεον
20 αλλα επιστειλαι αυτοις του απεχεσθαι απο των αλισγηματων των ειδωλων και της πορνειας και του πνικτου και του αιματος
21 μωσης γαρ εκ γενεων αρχαιων κατα πολιν τους κηρυσσοντας αυτον εχει εν ταις συναγωγαις κατα παν σαββατον αναγινωσκομενος

28 εδοξεν γαρ τω αγιω πνευματι και ημιν μηδεν πλεον επιτιθεσθαι υμιν βαρος πλην των επαναγκες τουτων
29 απεχεσθαι ειδωλοθυτων και αιματος και πνικτου και πορνειας εξ ων διατηρουντες εαυτους ευ πραξετε ερρωσθε[/SIZE]
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Der Alter seems to be a stuck record.

Don't you realise we don't come to the same conclusion as you?

 

[RMDY]

Because some do not see the choice of ones sexual preference as being sexual immoral, so the debate continues, people will not live what they do not believe.

You make a very good point.

It is unfortunante that people are agree with this but contradict their acceptance of the part of leviticus that lists what sexual immorality is by blacking out only one verse they disagree with.

going back to something: This reaffirms what I have been saying for a long time, that a part of leviticus lists a whole bunch of things as sexually immoral as well as wicked and one must abstain from these things. It also affirms that I have also been saying, that the early appostles agreed that homosexuality, incest, beastiality are sexually immoral things and were against such weird doctrines such as homosexual marriage.

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]Der Alter seems to be a stuck record.

Don't you realise we don't come to the same conclusion as you?[/SIZE]

That is the first time I quoted the Greek for that passage. I keep posting the same only credible arguments over and over because I am replying to the same old, lame old copy/paste repetitious, arguments. Nothing new, nothing original, same old, lame old! And between you and I, I am the only one posting credible, verifiable historical evidence. I don't give a rats bum what copy/paste lock step, automatonic conclusions you claim to come to. I can find it mirrored at any homosexuals-Я-us website.

 

[PinkTulip]

Anyone else?
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[ContentInHim]

I believe that Acts 15 was intended as a starting point for Gentile believers. After all, believers in Messiah were at that point a heretical sect of Judaism. They went to and taught in the Temple and synagogues, etc.

But, even supposing that Levitical law no longer applies (though I can't imagine having sex with a dog or murdering someone ), homosexual sex is clearly prohibited in Romans and other NT letters. Why would anyone doubt it except that they do not believe the Bible? If they do not believe the Bible, then any sort of orthodoxy is out the window.

 

[Brieuse]

I believe that Acts 15 was intended as a starting point for Gentile believers. After all, believers in Messiah were at that point a heretical sect of Judaism. They went to and taught in the Temple and synagogues, etc.

But, even supposing that Levitical law no longer applies (though I can't imagine having sex with a dog or murdering someone ), homosexual sex is clearly prohibited in Romans and other NT letters. Why would anyone doubt it except that they do not believe the Bible? If they do not believe the Bible, then any sort of orthodoxy is out the window.

Not as clear as you might think.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Okay, I am going to finally post this AGAIN (because no one ever answers it)

And so the debate continues regarding the Law, Gospel and homosexuality. Some of you state that Levitical law does not apply. The same thing was being debated 2000 years ago and it was settled in Acts 15.

19"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."

28It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

The above was referring to the Law. I think it is clear that these Laws refer to us as Christians. So why are we debating it?

Do YOU personally adhere to all the laws of Leviticus?

or are some you don't feel you need to apply to your life?

Laws like
Not wearing clothing made of mixed fabrics.
Not letting people with glasses attend your church
Not letting the handicapped enter your church
Not eating shellfish
Keeping slaves
Murdering your own rebellious children
Not planting hybrids or making use of modern agricultural products (Which, by the way, includes tulips)

When you tell us you follow all these laws we can continue with discussing your question about how some state the laws of Leviticus don't apply to them.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Because some do not see the choice of ones sexual preference as being sexual immoral, so the debate continues, people will not live what they do not believe.

Choice???

what choice are you talking about?

 

[ContentInHim]

Not as clear as you might think.

It's clear to those with the spiritual eyes to read it!

 

[BigBadWlf]

It's clear to those with the spiritual eyes to read it!

No it is not clearly prohibited at all in the new testament. And not even mentioned in the old.

 

[ContentInHim]

No it is not clearly prohibited at all in the new testament. And not even mentioned in the old.

Neither is bestiality - but you should know it's wrong - DON'T YOU? Well, maybe not.
Wow, what OT do you read (or not).

 

[ContentInHim]

Do homosexuals post in any other forum at CF, or do you only post here?

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Neither is bestiality - but you should know it's wrong - DON'T YOU? Well, maybe not.
Wow, what OT do you read (or not).

Beastality is the way diseases spread from animals to humans. There are physical consequences that make it OBVIOUSLY wrong.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Do homosexuals post in any other forum at CF, or do you only post here?

I only post here. But that's because I have trouble jumping into discussions anywhere else. And as bad as it sounds, I like to argue. I post in the official CPE forum too.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Neither is bestiality - but you should know it's wrong - DON'T YOU? Well, maybe not.
Wow, what OT do you read (or not).

Bestiality is quite clearly condemned in Leviticus 18:23.

Homosexuality is however not condemned anywhere in the old testament.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Do homosexuals post in any other forum at CF, or do you only post here?

I am quite certain gays and lesbians post in every section of these forums.

As for your implied flame: remember one need not be black to oppose racism