Acne getting me down

[KLLM82]

I happen to have a dermatologist in my family..but apparently he doesn't know anything, according to you at least....

I'm not saying that he doesn't know anything...but again, his major is not nutrition so how could he understand how they're linked if he has not further studied into it?

If it helps you, I have one of my cousins who's a nutritionist and is currently working on her Master's degree from NYU which is known as a very top university. She can further tell you how acne and diet are linked if you'd like but yet, you seemed convinced that there's no link...but don't try to convince others that there's no link because there is indeed a link.

~Katia~

 

[Shannonkish]

Katia,

We are not discussing whether or not there are a lot of "bad" foods out in the world or not... we are discussing Acne and its relation to diet..

Sure there is a lot to know and a lot to learn in nutrition... but that doesn't mean they are more qualified than doctors.. dermatologists spend years studying skin... specifically so that can treat skin. I would trust a dermatologist, who has spent years practicing and studying the skin over a nutritionist who spent 4 years in college and had to pass a test... and who studies multiple issues with nutrition, not just skin.

Notice that the one website you provided contained absolutely no credentials or proof... it contained the authors opinions.

 

[Shannonkish]

I'm not saying that he doesn't know anything...but again, his major is not nutrition so how could he understand how they're linked if he has not further studied into it?

No, he studied the SKIN and SKIN related dieases.... which makes him MUCH more qualified to treat skin dieases and give advice on skin care than a Nutritionist.

 

[KLLM82]

Sure there is a lot to know and a lot to learn in nutrition... but that doesn't mean they are more qualified than doctors.. dermatologists spend years studying skin... specifically so that can treat skin.

Exactly, they spend years studying about the skin...not nutrition in order for them to further understand how it is linked to the health of the skin.

~Katia~

 

[Shannonkish]

Katia,

They study Skin dieases as well... Acne is a skin diease...

But you are absolutely right.. you know everything, I know nothing. Nutritonists are much better soruces for the answers to your skin care needs... I will stop visiting my dermatologist and start visiting a nutritionist.. maybe the nutritionist can cure my Chronic Knee Pain as well, since they are much more reliable than dermatologists.

Have a great day. I am done with this topic!

 

[KLLM82]

Katia,

They study Skin dieases as well... Acne is a skin diease...

I never said they didn't...that's what they're there for. But do they fully comprehend the link b/w some skin diseases and nutrition?

But you are absolutely right.. you know everything, I know nothing.

Did I say I know everything? I'm just disagreeing with you saying that there's no link b/w a person's diet and acne. Note, not everyone gets acne as a result of eating foods that their body doesn't tolerate because many people's body reacts differently. While one may get acne as a warning sign to change their diet, another might not get those warning signs and in the long run develop a certain disease/illness because the body didn't give an external warning.

Nutritonists are much better soruces for the answers to your skin care needs... I will stop visiting my dermatologist and start visiting a nutritionist.. maybe the nutritionist can cure my Chronic Knee Pain as well, since they are much more reliable than dermatologists.

I never said that they were better sources in general...it depends on the skin illness...yes, a nutrionist can know further into the causes of some of the skin illnesses than a dermatologist just like they can also know further into other skin illnesses than what a nutritionist knows.

Oh and, a person with a PHd is not always more knowledgeable then one with a BA or Master's degree. Education is not purchased but learned.

Have a great day. I am done with this topic!

~Katia~

 

[MusicMelOU]

Bare Essentials really is the best! It's worth the price! Even some of the oil-free makeup would still be shiny after afew hours. And since Bare Essentials is pure minerals, it doesn't clog your pores!

Where do you get this stuff? One of my friends has it and I like it.

 

[MusicMelOU]

It's funny, no one mentioned "Eating habits". I guess no one really thinks that a person's eating habits can be a great cause of that too...

~Katia~

Nah...eating habits has been a myth that hasn't been proven. But what HAS been proven is the basic reason people get acne. It's caused by the overproduction of oil in your skin and/or the inability for skin to remove itself of dead skin cells. For some people, just better exfoliation can fix it, but for others such as myself, taking medication (accutane) that literally stops the oil production in your skin while on treatment has done the trick beautifully. A lot of times you can attribute overproduction of oil to either stress or hormonal imbalances. That's why many females break out during certain times of the month.

 

[MusicMelOU]

I am also of the opinion that the medicines especially antibiotics make it more virulent, but whenever I mention it to my doctors they say that is just a sign they are working (yeah right)

I'm telling you, try accutane. It will be bad for about a month cause your skin will sort of go into shock, but the stuff works!! I've seen people go from having a pizza face to a perfect complexion with this stuff. I used to get the nasty pustule ones on my cheeks and forhead and then had an overabundance of blackheads on my nose. I've taken this stuff for two months and I have no blackheads. I think I have maybe one blemish and it's just a tiny little bump that isn't infected or anything. But it's the only thing that doctors have claimed can "cure" acne. The only drawback is that in the US, it's a controlled substance and getting it is a pain; for many doctors, they'll make you try everything else before giving it to you.

 

[MusicMelOU]

About the whole nutrition/dermatologist debate, I think nutrition is a seriously flawed science (if it even is really much of a science), and most of the people who are nutritionists do not really know anything even close to what a doctor would know about processes in the body and the chemistry/physics behind it. If you look at college degree requirement for nutrition, they aren't really that strenuous, and you don't spend a lot of time looking and the physics and chemistry of the body. Pre-med students already know more about that stuff before even picking up their white coat I've never talked to a nutritionist who can give me a good scientific argument for reasoning. THey'll tell you something is bad, but 9 times out of 10 they cannot tell you why it is bad unless they quote what someone else has said about it rather than logically explain on their own. However, a dermatologist can. Not trying to bash nutritionalists; I have IBS and they do a good job of giving me advice as to what I should eat, but if I want to know why these foods are better for me, a gastrointernalogist is the one who can give me a really good scientific reason.

 

[KLLM82]

Good for you! Obviously you don't know much about nutrition for you to make such judgment

~Katia~

 

[Doctor PHMG]

STOP EATING CHOCOLATES!

that is the way to stop more acne (for me that is what i found out was causing it)

 

[Saxman]

Here is my take on the diet thing and my family is full of doctors. Medicine is all very well for curing diseases etc but when it comes to disease prevention medicine is useless while a healthy diet and lifestyle is essential. As such there is a role for both. Most of the experiments looking at the impact of diet on food is rather sparse and the studies are rather biased, and there is quite convincing anecdotal evidence of some sort of link. I would not say that a bad diet causes acne, but I would agree that it aggravates acne.

 

[Pirch80]

Not eatting oily foods and chocolates are good ways to get rid of acne. With me I have complete acne and luckily I'm older now but when I was younger kids would mess with me all day. It was awfully hard to ignore the world and not listen to it. But I also think even with a good diet you can still get them very easily. The good thing about acne is though is you build character like nobody else. Because we have to put up with more stuff than a normal person and eventually we build character to say "I don't care" in a good way. To tell a person I don't care or something along those lines then you've built alot more character and it will help in the future.

I am glad the way my church has been treating me. They hardly notice my acne and they don't even say anything. Right now I'm trying to get rid of them so I might have more of a chance with girls but until then I'll continue to be me.

Good luck Saxman and I hope you have some luck with your acne!

 

[Walk in Faith]

Drink lots of WATER and SLEEP. going to bed at different hours, or not getting enough sleep aggravate skin. its true!

 

[MusicMelOU]

Good for you! Obviously you don't know much about nutrition for you to make such judgment

~Katia~

Well, I know enough about the "science" behind nutrition, and the means in which the "studies" are conducted by nutritionalists in order to make the judgment that a doctor is a much more trustworthy source of information than a nutritionalist. The "science" itself is so flawed; it's really hard to come up with an accurate theory for anything when you're using human subjects. Medicine is somewhat flawed in this respect too, but a lot of the things in medicine (such as whether or not an antibiotic is effective at killing a pathogen) can be proved in a lab, unlike whether or not something is "nutritious". The word "nutrition" is an ambiguous term in itself. If it wasn't, we wouldn't have so many crazy diet rituals out there to begin with; everyone would agree. But it is proven that antibiotics kill bacteria and that drugs like isotretenoin can cure acne.

 

[JaredMackall]

I haven't bothered to read the rest of the posts on this thread, so I'll just answer to the original topic, if it's changed at all. I'm 17 (am I supposed to be in here? lol) and have had acne since the sixth grade or earlier. It's better now, but it used to be horrible. I guess God showed mercy on me, because it never has bothered me. I've never been self conscious about it, never worried that it would affect how good I look (I'm so vain ). I've been on a bunch of medications, even thought of taking Accutane, but we nearly cried when we looked at the possible side effects: the amount of them were staggering. I was blessed to have a girlfriend who thought nothing of it. Since I see you say you're self concious about it, I can't really give you any advice, just try your best not to worry about it. Time is the greatest factor in these things, just have some faith and wait it out. If you're not self concious about it, not many people really notice it. Hope it all works out for you.

 

[sweetlambofgod]

I have acne at times but not all that bad if I treat it I use blemish gel, I usually just do nothign about it tho.

 

[MusicMelOU]

I haven't bothered to read the rest of the posts on this thread, so I'll just answer to the original topic, if it's changed at all. I'm 17 (am I supposed to be in here? lol) and have had acne since the sixth grade or earlier. It's better now, but it used to be horrible. I guess God showed mercy on me, because it never has bothered me. I've never been self conscious about it, never worried that it would affect how good I look (I'm so vain ). I've been on a bunch of medications, even thought of taking Accutane, but we nearly cried when we looked at the possible side effects: the amount of them were staggering. I was blessed to have a girlfriend who thought nothing of it. Since I see you say you're self concious about it, I can't really give you any advice, just try your best not to worry about it. Time is the greatest factor in these things, just have some faith and wait it out. If you're not self concious about it, not many people really notice it. Hope it all works out for you.

Haha I guess I'm a huge advocater for Accutane because it has helped me so much. The only HUGE risk of Accutane is birth defects, and this one is huge because if a woman gets pregnant while on the medication, it is 90% likely that her baby will be born with either a serious birth defect or dead. So the FDA has taken measures to try to keep this from happening; if a woman is taking Accutane, she has to use 2 forms of birth control and have a negative pregnancy test each month before she can refill her prescription. Most doctors, including mine, won't prescribe a female to take it unless she is also taking a birth control pill, whether she is sexually active or not. Now for a guy, none of this is even an issue.

The other serious side effects are a virtual one-in-a-million chance to begin with, and most people don't even suffer from these side effects even if they're prone to, because the majority of doctors require you to come in and get bloodwork done regularly to make sure that the medication is not doing any harm. If anything comes up irregular, you stop the medicine immediately and there is hardly ever any long-term damage.

Now about the big stink about it making people suicidal, yes there have been a few patients who have gone to commit suicide when on this medication. But, if you compare the statistic of Accutane patients who become severely depressed and/or commit suicide with that of the general population of the age group of most Accutane patents, the number is close to the same. And the medication has not actually been proven to cause people to become depressed. My doctor was telling me that in the 30 years he has prescribed Accutane, he has never seen this happen.

So, yeah, I think that these side effects are grossly overplayed. Things you may have to worry about in reality are dry, chapped skin, and maybe a slight headache upon first taking the medication. Oh, and your acne may seemingly get worse for the first month of treatment before getting exponentially better the second. But other than that, tha's about it.