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Acknowledgement(counterfeit faith) Vs. Saving faith
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You let it go, and strive not to keep doing it. Move on, and move forward growing in faith, and grace. Continually pray for wisdom and understanding. Knowledge is knowing, but understanding is application of knowledge.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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See again what Jesus told the man who asked Jesus how he could be saved.
It was simple, but the disciples where utterly flabbergasted when Jesus said it.
Then later, day by day, see what Jesus said ...... well, every where else. Literally. (in the NT)
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yeshuaslavejeff
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Luke chapters 1 through 20. (any version)(I like RSV Reserved Standard Version basically; and Amplified or the Message or the Phillips in biblegateway.com perhaps, to compare versions for the more full expanded meaning showing how much or how dramatically the disciples reacted to Jesus' Words.)
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Razare
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God confirms your salvation to you.
If God has never confirmed it directly to you, I would say, you need to re-evaluate everything.
Do you get dreams of revelation from God? Has he confirmed your salvation in those dreams in a way you know it is God and trust? Or by vision?
When I was lost, God would give me judgement dreams, it was the Holy Spirit convicting me of sin, righteousness and judgement. Sin that we have rejected God and his only Son, Judgement that the world and its inhabitants are subject to a future judgement of fire and a past judgement of water, of Righteousness because Christ has gone to the Father.
When I exalted Jesus Christ in my heart and set him as my goal, before I was even a Christian, Christ came to me as the morning star and Holy Spirit saying, "You are my child." In this dream, it was so vivid, so real, and I experienced God's love like never before. Afterward, I told people "I am God's child" and I was not even a Christian, and I knew that I did not deserve to be his child and I did not know how I was. And sure enough I am God's child.
And if that were not enough, God has given me other dreams, visions, and miracles, and his love. He has been transforming me from glory to glory just as scripture says... one day to meet the full measure of Christ in my life as Paul outlines.
I would say if you do not have all these sorts of things happening in your Christianity, you need to keep moving forward and learn more from God without fear.
When we trust God to teach us in-spite of our fear of not being saved, that's when we have faith, and God can really give us revelation to build real faith instead of fear.
Very often we trust head knowledge and use that knowledge to reject fear... "I must be saved because of X doctrine in the Bible." That's not really faith. It's good to know some of that stuff, but real faith brings peace where your mind and emotions do not have to constantly defend your faith... "I must be saved because..." Real faith in many ways walks on into that salvation living it, without requiring we think, "Are we saved?" The thought might still happen but it reaches a point where raising that question is no longer needed.
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Razare
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"will of the Father" should be thoroughly understood.
The Father willed that Israel die lost in the desert, not being saved into their promise land. He willed they die a death of disobedience. This is God's permissive will, not his good will.
It is God's permissive will that we obey morality, and live under rules to establish our own righteousness but this is not his good will.
Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. - Romans 10:3
God's Mosaic law given to Israel for example, falls under God's permissive will for all men except Christ, where God permits people to attempt to establish their own righteousness apart from God. God permits it, but this is not his good will which is his true will because God is good.
And if you follow God's permissive will, you are just dead in your sins, having not followed God's actual will for us to accept his son Jesus. John 16:10
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I know last year and a few times this year I would have these awful dreams/experiences where in the middle of the night I would wake up but I could not move and I felt like something was holding me down. My dreams would be like me in my bed and there was something there and it would whisper offending things to me like "your no good" or "your going to hell" and it was those dreams I'd wake up and couldn't move no matter how hard I tried. I would even try to scream but nothing would come out. Very scary stuff. But I haven't had them since last year, thankfully, they were very scary for me. I have Begged God to reveal Himself to me to show me what I am doing wrong. I have asked Him to show me what is holding me back. I have asked Him to allow me to have a dream to see where my current state is. And....nothing. I feel sometimes like I am a reject and He doesn't want me because He don't answer me. I know that those have to be lies of satan but they just feel so true. I just want to know Jesus I want to be His child, His daughter. But no matter what I'm not successful. I get scared and wonder if maybe He decided before I was born that I won't be saved and no matter what I do I can't be. Because I trust that Jesus is the only way to Heaven and I have confessed multiple times that I am a desperate sinner. I cry out to Him some nights and beg Him to help me.
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Are u actively involved in a church? One that strictly adheres to the bible as the final authority? Do u listen and hear hard preaching, and apply it to your daily life? Do you tithe?
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It took a long time for me.to find the right church for me. I am a independent fundamental Baptist. They usually preach it straight from the kj Bible. Preach against sin. Preach good bible doctrine.
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I go to church with my family, I have since I was born. I do tithe when I have the money, I don't work so I don't have much money.
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Faith is founded in the word of God, otherwise it is not faith but speculation. Read and study scripture, the more you will learn who God is, the more you gain wisdom and stand on His promises.
2Ti 3:15 and you remember that ever since you were a child, you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
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What is saving faith? Jesus is pretty clear, I think:
Matthew 7:21
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
What is the will of the Father?
Matthew 22:35-40
35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying,
36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
37 Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'
40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Doing the will of the Father begins with loving Him. Too many would-be believers wonder if they are really saved because they are living the form of the Christian life without any real love for God. It is out of a love for Him, however, that all the Christian's obedience is supposed to flow. Love for God is the heart of the Christian life; it is the wellspring of Christian living.
The question you should be asking, then, isn't, "Do I have saving faith?" but rather "Do I truly love God?" If you can answer the latter question with a "yes", then you can answer the former question affirmatively, too.
Here's the problem, though: We don't have in ourselves the kind of love God desires from us. Our human love is selfish, sin-corrupted, contingent and finite. There is nothing about this sort of love that interests God. He wants from us His own beautiful, holy, self-sacrificing, depthless love.
Fortunately, God has sent His Spirit to live within each of His children and in the Person of His Spirit they possess all they need to be the kind of person God wants them to be. God works in us and then we work out.
Philippians 2:12-13
12 ...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
Did you get that? We only work out what God has first worked into us. And all that He works into us - His love, faith, grace, patience, holiness - is found in the Person of the Holy Spirit.
The sticky bit here is that while every Christian has this divine Power Source within them, relatively few benefit from his indwelling presence. This is so because believers are not taught about living surrendered lives. It is only in living before God in full submission to Him, however, that the power of His Spirit flows freely into our lives (Ro. 12:1; Ro 6:13; Ja 4:6, 7; 1Pe 5: 5, 6). When you are living in the power of the Spirit, I can promise you doubts about your salvation will not arise.
Romans 8:15-16
15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father."
16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
Now, I'm not talking about the grotesque charismatic nonsense of speaking in tongues, or rolling on the floor in hysterics, but the biblical transformation accomplished by the Spirit that makes you more like Christ, that produces in you holiness, and peace, and gentleness, and faith. (Ga. 5:22, 23) When the evidence of His transforming work is present in your life, doubts about your salvation will evaporate.
Selah.
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You don't!
Think, REALLY think spiritually / theologically about this question. God forgives you. That's all you need. By trying to forgive yourself aren't you REALLY taking the position that God's forgiveness is inadequate ????????????????????
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Throughout all the centuries, there have been always true believers, who kept the Word of God
in its originality, because they appreciated it, and also feared God.
God cares enough for his Word, to make sure that it is kept in its originality.
The moral law, the ten commandments, are coded on the heart of every man, his conscience.
They must be created, from somebody who is moral.
In all of creation, we see expressed a thought, wisdom and purpose, which shows, that there is
somebody who thinks – God.
The Bible is a historical book, with recorded historical events.
If Jesus is the Word, how can the Bible not be true?
John 1:1-3, Jeremiah 1:12, Isaiah 55:10,11, Acts – 5:38, 39, 1 Peter 1:23-25, 1 Corinthians
15:5, 6, 30, 31, Matthew 5:18, 24:35, Psalm 119:89, Psalm 138:2, Romans 1:19, 20, 2:14,
15, Luke 1:1-4, 2:1-3, 16:17, Revelation 22:18,19, Psalm 9:9,12,18, Matthew 2:6, 4:24,25,
7:16-20, 9:26,35, 11:20-23, 12:33, 12:40-42, 19:4-6, Luke 6:43, 44, Ezra 1:4, Hebrews
2:3,4, Acts 2:22, 14:3, 16:26-30, Mark 16:17, 20, John 2:11,23, 3:2, 4:48, 6:2, 10:25, 38,
11:45, 14:11, 20:30,31, Luke 10:13, 11:30-32,51, 12:1
in its originality, because they appreciated it, and also feared God.
God cares enough for his Word, to make sure that it is kept in its originality.
The moral law, the ten commandments, are coded on the heart of every man, his conscience.
They must be created, from somebody who is moral.
In all of creation, we see expressed a thought, wisdom and purpose, which shows, that there is
somebody who thinks – God.
The Bible is a historical book, with recorded historical events.
If Jesus is the Word, how can the Bible not be true?
John 1:1-3, Jeremiah 1:12, Isaiah 55:10,11, Acts – 5:38, 39, 1 Peter 1:23-25, 1 Corinthians
15:5, 6, 30, 31, Matthew 5:18, 24:35, Psalm 119:89, Psalm 138:2, Romans 1:19, 20, 2:14,
15, Luke 1:1-4, 2:1-3, 16:17, Revelation 22:18,19, Psalm 9:9,12,18, Matthew 2:6, 4:24,25,
7:16-20, 9:26,35, 11:20-23, 12:33, 12:40-42, 19:4-6, Luke 6:43, 44, Ezra 1:4, Hebrews
2:3,4, Acts 2:22, 14:3, 16:26-30, Mark 16:17, 20, John 2:11,23, 3:2, 4:48, 6:2, 10:25, 38,
11:45, 14:11, 20:30,31, Luke 10:13, 11:30-32,51, 12:1
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