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A lot of people accused Christians of being self-righteous. I was one of those people. And sometimes I still feel that way, which is in itself self righteous. I am not saying that my feeling is right. In fact, I know that it's wrong. I had to repent to God many times for accusing other Christians of having wrong motives. I know that Christians speak the truth when it comes to sin and certain sinful lifestyles.

I wonder if Paul, the Apostle, was here preaching, would we be accusing him of being self-righteous? Not just Paul the Apostle, but any of the Apostles. They spoke against sin a lot.
 

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I'm so humble I'm proud of it!

... seems to be the core of 'self-righteous'. Self-rightousness is that feeling of being better than most other Christians and most certainly him (or her)! Often times the feeling is accompanied by being overly critical; sometimes just a gesture and 'look' which says, "He is in the wrong, but I'll be big and not call attention to it."

And I don't want to make a big thing of it, but I am pretty humble. **snicker**
 
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A lot of people accused Christians of being self-righteous. I was one of those people. And sometimes I still feel that way, which is in itself self righteous. I am not saying that my feeling is right. In fact, I know that it's wrong. I had to repent to God many times for accusing other Christians of having wrong motives. I know that Christians speak the truth when it comes to sin and certain sinful lifestyles.

I wonder if Paul, the Apostle, was here preaching, would we be accusing him of being self-righteous? Not just Paul the Apostle, but any of the Apostles. They spoke against sin a lot.
In the mindset of a faithful Jew (unlike the Pharisees), I see less self-righteousness in Paul's words than Jesus'. Jesus comes across as essentially throwing their religion out in the trash. The Holy Spirit was needed for salvation then as much as now.
 
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A lot of people accused Christians of being self-righteous. I was one of those people. And sometimes I still feel that way, which is in itself self righteous. I am not saying that my feeling is right. In fact, I know that it's wrong. I had to repent to God many times for accusing other Christians of having wrong motives. I know that Christians speak the truth when it comes to sin and certain sinful lifestyles.

I wonder if Paul, the Apostle, was here preaching, would we be accusing him of being self-righteous? Not just Paul the Apostle, but any of the Apostles. They spoke against sin a lot.
WE today might accuse them of that, but then we Christians in the USA, for the most part, have lost our way. We are straying from the Path God laid out before each of us. Therefore, we are incapable of judging Paul and the 12. The Holy Spirit has already done that, by the way, and He has found them worthy.
 
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A lot of people accused Christians of being self-righteous. I was one of those people. And sometimes I still feel that way, which is in itself self righteous. I am not saying that my feeling is right. In fact, I know that it's wrong. I had to repent to God many times for accusing other Christians of having wrong motives. I know that Christians speak the truth when it comes to sin and certain sinful lifestyles.

I wonder if Paul, the Apostle, was here preaching, would we be accusing him of being self-righteous? Not just Paul the Apostle, but any of the Apostles. They spoke against sin a lot.

I was and (still catch myself to be) self-righteous in many ways that I should not be....
I had to (and still need to) unlearn many years of thinking that I was "right" about everything....
I am still in the process of placing absolute right and wrong as written in the New Testament.....

The Words of Paul as Written---if a person stood up at a podium and read out loud Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Ephesians, etc------they would NOT be accepted by most people today.
And that would not be explaining the words,
or skipping over words,
or giving opinion------
but just reading the Words of an entire Book/Letter at a time.....

That's why I am trying to get to my learning/understand chapter by chapter and verse by verse without commentary.....
 
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WE today might accuse them of that, but then we Christians in the USA, for the most part, have lost our way. We are straying from the Path God laid out before each of us. Therefore, we are incapable of judging Paul and the 12. The Holy Spirit has already done that, by the way, and He has found them worthy.

Well, 11 out of the 12 anyway, remember Judas.
 
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It's easy to be self-righteous if you let yourself. Soon as you think there's something you know that makes you different. Then you realize sooner than later, it was what you thought and felt. Usually happens when you're riding a high of good times, but soon as you hit a wall with bad times, you're back where you started. That's humility for you.
 
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and after I hit reply, I realize how self-righteous that all sounded....sigh.....

I don't see it as self righteous. And I appreciate everything you said.
 
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Self-righteous means being righteous in your own eyes. That implies that you're not truly righteous, that your fooling yourself. If our righteousness depended on some measurement we would all fail, which is why we need Jesus' salvation, so we can be righteous in God's eyes, which is all that counts.
 
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A lot of people accused Christians of being self-righteous. I was one of those people. And sometimes I still feel that way, which is in itself self righteous. I am not saying that my feeling is right. In fact, I know that it's wrong. I had to repent to God many times for accusing other Christians of having wrong motives. I know that Christians speak the truth when it comes to sin and certain sinful lifestyles.

I wonder if Paul, the Apostle, was here preaching, would we be accusing him of being self-righteous? Not just Paul the Apostle, but any of the Apostles. They spoke against sin a lot.

The problem is that we live in a post christian society which doesn't believe sin is sin any longer. Therefore, everyone is hypersensitive about sin because they don't want people telling them they can't do what they want to do. 100 years ago there was generally a social consensus about what sin was and preaching about sin, righteousness, and the holiness of God was far more common than today.
 
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The problem is that we live in a post christian society which doesn't believe sin is sin any longer. Therefore, everyone is hypersensitive about sin because they don't want people telling them they can't do what they want to do. 100 years ago there was generally a social consensus about what sin was and preaching about sin, righteousness, and the holiness of God was far more common than today.

I get what you are saying. We don't like to be told that we are in sin. I have been one of those who hate to be told that I am in sin. I have a couple of besetting sins that are almost impossible to stop. I have gone after Christians because I do not like to be told that I am in sin. But at the same time it does seem like when they preach against sin they do it in a very self-righteous way. I mean, you have Christians going into Target screaming at the top of their lungs about how sinful everybody is just for shopping at Target. There was this one Christian lady who was politely trying to talk to some of those Christians and they asked her who she was. And she told them that she was a Christian. And they said you are not a Christian. It hurts to see Christians accuse each other this way. But I also get that we don't like to be told that we are in sin as well. Me calling those Christians self-righteous, arrogant, and just plain false Christians is in itself self-righteous and very are hypocritical, because of my besetting sins.

But I also realize that who cares if they are doing it out of self righteous and arrogance. Paul said he didn't care if people preached out of selfishness or not, as long as the name of Jesus Christ was being glorified. Jesus also told the disciples to obey the Pharisees even though they are hypocritical. So I think it's a good thing to tell me when I am in sin, even if it's done to make themselves look more righteous and holy. Because if I listen and put my trust in Jesus Christ and turn from my sin it will be life. But whether they are self-righteous or not that is between them and God. But it is offensive to me when Christians accuse each other of not being true Christians because of another person's weakness or because their philosophy is different than theirs.

Paul was constantly reprimanding the church because of their sins, but he never accuse them of not being true Christians. Although he did say anybody who lives a sinful lifestyle will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Actually, to be perfectly honest I am a little confused with Paul. He told the Galatians that Division and fighting is of the flesh; and those who live in such lifestyle will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven as well. And yet, the early church lived that kind of Lifestyle. But he still did not accuse them of not being true Christians. I don't know.

I do believe that we are supposed to preach against sin as long as we realize that according to scripture everyone deserves death including the person that is preaching. Some people get the impression that some of those preachers act like they are perfect. That's the impression of the world. Now, I had the same impression, which was because I was in sin myself. Well, I still have sin in my life. But I desire to change.

That's why I also asked the question if Paul was here on Earth preaching, would we accuse him of self-righteousness? I probably would. I have Impressions on Christians, but my impressions are of the flesh. Yes, it does seem like the church can be very self-righteous, but that is my sin. I need to give that up to God. Jesus probably would have seemed very self-righteous to me as well.
 
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The problem is that we live in a post christian society which doesn't believe sin is sin any longer. Therefore, everyone is hypersensitive about sin because they don't want people telling them they can't do what they want to do. 100 years ago there was generally a social consensus about what sin was and preaching about sin, righteousness, and the holiness of God was far more common than today.

I have heard this argument over and over and over.

We are not living in a "post christian society". (Do you intentionally not capitalize "christian"?) The only Christian society is the kingdom of heaven. The US was never a Christian society and never will be. People have sinned throughout our history and the First Amendment legally prohibits the establishment of any state religion. Do you think that child labor, racism, unfair treatment of women at home and in the workplace, organized crime, unsafe working conditions, slavery(!), and a host of other issues are Christian behavior? What about the wholesale murder of Native Americans? There are many, many issues besides these that prove we were never a "Christian nation"; that is just fantasy.

I don't think that people are hypersensitive about sin. They are rightly resentful of self-righteous people who behave like the men that accused the woman of adultery and were ready to stone her to death. (Which is the worse sin?) Instead of loving people and showing them through love and compassion that there is a better way to live, they insult people whom they don't know. Who is more at sin here?

Jesus cited the two major commandments: love God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself. That is the only Christian way to behave.
 
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I have heard this argument over and over and over.

We are not living in a "post christian society". (Do you intentionally not capitalize "christian"?) The only Christian society is the kingdom of heaven. The US was never a Christian society and never will be. People have sinned throughout our history and the First Amendment legally prohibits the establishment of any state religion. Do you think that child labor, racism, unfair treatment of women at home and in the workplace, organized crime, unsafe working conditions, slavery(!), and a host of other issues are Christian behavior? What about the wholesale murder of Native Americans? There are many, many issues besides these that prove we were never a "Christian nation"; that is just fantasy.

I would closely examine the Spiritual side of this presentation. I appears to be identifying the secular perspective.
 
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Paul was constantly reprimanding the church because of their sins, but he never accuse them of not being true Christians. Although he did say anybody who lives a sinful lifestyle will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Actually, to be perfectly honest I am a little confused with Paul. He told the Galatians that Division and fighting is of the flesh; and those who live in such lifestyle will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven as well. And yet, the early church lived that kind of Lifestyle. But he still did not accuse them of not being true Christians. I don't know.

I would closely examine the context of Paul's writings in the above presentation. Check out sin, division and fighting keeping us out of the "Kingdom of Heaven."
 
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If you mean self righteous as in those people that are out there on street corners, subway trains (as is the case where I live), etc. going around and telling everyone that they're sinners and are going to hell, I agree as far as the way the message is being delivered. Don't get me wrong, I do think we as Christians have an obligation to turn people towards God, but I just question if those people are doing more harm than good when it comes to spreading the gospel, and are turning the seekers away by being so forceful in the delivery style.
 
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I would closely examine the context of Paul's writings in the above presentation. Check out sin, division and fighting keeping us out of the "Kingdom of Heaven."

I will do that. I probably did not understand the context.
 
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I would closely examine the Spiritual side of this presentation. I appears to be identifying the secular perspective.

The Christian society that was the subject of the post is of course the secular perspective. The US has never had and will never have a "Christian society", which is a secular society that is legally governed by Christian values. It is direct violation of the First Amendment.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the spiritual side of this presentation". Is judging people whom God loves -- everybody -- spiritual?
 
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The Christian society that was the subject of the post is of course the secular perspective. The US has never had and will never have a "Christian society", which is a secular society that is legally governed by Christian values. It is direct violation of the First Amendment.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the spiritual side of this presentation". Is judging people whom God loves -- everybody -- spiritual?
I think we walk on quicksand when we resort to a secular explanation or description of Christianity. Christian values are exactly that --- in no wise a violation of the First Amendment. And......... the US has, from its founding, been governed by Godly, Christian principles.......at least until the uproar in the 1960's tore the national apart. "I do my thing, you do your thing," "I'm OK, you're OK," disrupted the Christian perspective, led millions into disarray. Today we Christians are immersed in that very disarray.
 
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