Absurdities of so called science

[Jester4kicks]

Okay --- I believe you.

Not satisfied with the answers? What were you hoping for?

 

[dad]

Sorry, stopped reading after that. I just figured dad out. I'll explain in a moment.




Actually, it is. That's the best part. Atheism and agnosticism are on the rise... have been for a while now, and will continue to grow as more people realize it's not some terrible social taboo to be atheist.

On the rise, where? In the west? But it really doesn't matter that evil men and seduccers and such will wax worse and worse until the end, and the love of many wax cold. To prophesy that that end time blip is a trend going anywhere but to hell in a handbasket, is to do so with no possible authority!! You have no idea. I will trust the Almighty on that one.

-Science has shown certain basic laws to be consistent and constant (i.e. the speed of light in a vacuum).

Only consistent here and now and in the recent past, that is the issue. Creation is out of that box, go figure again.

-In some cases, science has shown some things not to be constant, but still consistent (i.e. predictable in their variations). Good tests (and the resulting theories) account for this, otherwise they would quickly be disproven.

Again, it matters not if some things tweak a little within the fishbowl of the present!

-To confirm this uniformity (or in some cases, lack thereof), scientists constantly run experiments and attempt to make predictions about the results. If the predictions are consistently confirmed, then the basis for making those predictions can be considered sound. If the predictions don't match the results, we have to go back to the drawing board and see where we went wrong.

It's all a process.

The predictions are only good within the fishbowl, and can't be cross checked outside of their same state belief based models, which are bound to agree. Of course, if the ages are off tens or hundreds of millions of years, they call that close! What a scream.

-What YOU are trying to do is just to say (essentially) that since we weren't there to witness it, we can't know what happened. However scientists regularly make predictions and run experiments on things we cannot see, or could not have seen. Just because we didn't see the tree fall in the forest, it doesn't mean we can't run experiments and tests to determine why it fell.

Just because you didn't see the tree grow in a week, doesn't mean it grew at preswent rates, if the tree is out of the range of present science being able to know the state of the universe when it grew! We know all about the universe for the last several thousand years, of course, there were observers. But there is a poinnt where history fades out..and we cannot use sciencce to say.

-Instead, you throw out this idea that the physical laws of the universe were different at some point in the past. Unfortunately, there's absolutely no solid evidence to support your own position... and the only reason you have invented it is to discredit scientific explanations that contradict your personal translation of a religious text.

No solid evidence to support the same state by science either, and therefore neither can make a science case. I win.

What you don't seem to understand, dad, is that we would all LOVE to see you prove your position. It would have amazing effects on the scientific community. Unfortunately for you, there simply is no solid evidence to support your position.

By the time it is proven, it will be too late for many. It is proven every time someone dies! Then we will know. The battle is in the present world of man, and the fables that are told of an unproven imaginary anti bible past are designed to keep men from salvation, and faith in a real Living God, and creator.

Kids, don't be fooled. They are out to get your soul. Flee as a bird (in mind and spirit) to your mountain, Escape as a bird from their net. Question their supposed autority, they are a paper tiger.

Looks like that may be my last word here, these long threads are cut off.

I rest my case.

 

[Jester4kicks]

On the rise, where? In the west? But it really doesn't matter that evil men and seduccers and such will wax worse and worse until the end, and the love of many wax cold. To prophesy that that end time blip is a trend going anywhere but to hell in a handbasket, is to do so with no possible authority!! You have no idea. I will trust the Almighty on that one.
Only consistent here and now and in the recent past, that is the issue. Creation is out of that box, go figure again.

Again, it matters not if some things tweak a little within the fishbowl of the present!

The predictions are only good within the fishbowl, and can't be cross checked outside of their same state belief based models, which are bound to agree. Of course, if the ages are off tens or hundreds of millions of years, they call that close! What a scream.

Just because you didn't see the tree grow in a week, doesn't mean it grew at preswent rates, if the tree is out of the range of present science being able to know the state of the universe when it grew! We know all about the universe for the last several thousand years, of course, there were observers. But there is a poinnt where history fades out..and we cannot use sciencce to say.

No solid evidence to support the same state by science either, and therefore neither can make a science case. I win.

And we're back to the hand-waving.

If all available evidence points toward one conclusion, scientists accept that conclusion. You are doing the exact opposite. You are dismissing all of the available evidence and pointing toward a conclusion with absolutely no basis whatsoever.

If you expect anyone to follow along, you may as well tell them all to start making their tinfoil hats right now.

By the time it is proven, it will be too late for many. It is proven every time someone dies! Then we will know. The battle is in the present world of man, and the fables that are told of an unproven imaginary anti bible past are designed to keep men from salvation, and faith in a real Living God, and creator.

Science is not "anti bible". It's not "pro-bible" for that matter either. Science is objective. It examines that facts and provides explanations for those facts. The bible offers nothing toward those ends, ergo science has no reason to "compete" with it.

Kids, don't be fooled. They are out to get your soul. Flee as a bird (in mind and spirit) to your mountain, Escape as a bird from their net. Question their supposed autority, they are a paper tiger.

Looks like that may be my last word here, these long threads are cut off.

I rest my case.

 

[dad]

And we're back to the hand-waving.

If all available evidence points toward one conclusion, scientists accept that conclusion. You are doing the exact opposite. You are dismissing all of the available evidence and pointing toward a conclusion with absolutely no basis whatsoever.

All evidence points to a different state past! It is just that science has always assumed it was the same and based ALL upon that, all models. Therefore they merely filter the evidence though their hazy, coke bottle, colored lenses. No wonder they end up with the universe that could fit on the head of a pin!

Science is not "anti bible". It's not "pro-bible" for that matter either. Science is objective. It examines that facts and provides explanations for those facts. The bible offers nothing toward those ends, ergo science has no reason to "compete" with it.

The stuff that pretends to fly to infinity and beyond, and over rule the creation of God is anti bible by demonic design, best I can figure. It is not science either, just so called science, falsely.

That's just how it is.

 

[Jester4kicks]

All evidence points to a different state past! It is just that science has always assumed it was the same and based ALL upon that, all models. Therefore they merely filter the evidence though their hazy, coke bottle, colored lenses. No wonder they end up with the universe that could fit on the head of a pin!

You have yet ever show any such solid evidence.

The stuff that pretends to fly to infinity and beyond, and over rule the creation of God is anti bible by demonic design, best I can figure. It is not science either, just so called science, falsely.

That's just how it is.

Sorry... I stopped caring as soon as the word "demonic" entered into the equation.

You've sunk to appealing to emotion again.

Old. Tired. Boring.

 

[AirPo]

You have yet ever show any such solid evidence.

The HI theory requires creative evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

The HI theory requires creative evidence.

What's this Hawaiian Theory you keep talking about?

 

[dad]

You have yet ever show any such solid evidence.

I just use another filter, but I also agree with actual records of the past. It is incumbant upon those making a claim of science, to back it up, or it is a worthless claim. That is what is being taught.

 

[Jester4kicks]

I just use another filter, but I also agree with actual records of the past. It is incumbant upon those making a claim of science, to back it up, or it is a worthless claim. That is what is being taught.

What you don't seem to understand is just how much testing and scrutiny a new scientific theory must withstand in order to be accepted.

If there wasn't enough evidence to support and confirm the theory, it wouldn't be a theory.

 

[dad]

What you don't seem to understand is just how much testing and scrutiny a new scientific theory must withstand in order to be accepted.

If there wasn't enough evidence to support and confirm the theory, it wouldn't be a theory.

What you fail to comprehend, is that the tests are all present state based, and simply project that into the past, as if it applies! They can't really test the far past, it is just a belief system, that is exalted against the truth of the bible.

Besides, they toss em out almost faster than they accept em! That is one reason that almost all the universe is dark as they put it, to their understanding!

Darkened understanding, that's just how it is.

 

[AirPo]

What's this Hawaiian Theory you keep talking about?

In this thread, What About All the Fish, TheBear asks

So, was the global flood water supposed to be fresh, salt, or brackish?

to which dad responded

With hyper evolution it didn't matter. They did OK where they ended up.

Insightful as always, Nathan Poe inquired

What was it that stopped (or eventually slowed down) hyper evolution?

which lead to this revelation

The same thing that started it, hyper imagination(HI).

and eventually the first two laws

1. It's easy to make things up.
2. Never underestimate the power of the .

 

[dad]

In this thread, What About All the Fish, TheBear asks

to which dad responded



Insightful as always, Nathan Poe inquired



which lead to this revelation



and eventually the first two laws

1. It's easy to make things up.
2. Never underestimate the power of the .

Thanks for the history. You seem to like to be on the end of a long thread, almost like you are trying to get the last word.
Anyhow, that is a good point, why do things adapt fast in the spirit also state? We see the changes again when the state changes for the millennium. The answer is that the cause of the change is the change in the state of the universe. It has ripple effects on life, and physical matter, and light, gravity, etc.

It only sounds silly when one is imagining that it is the present state, where, of course it is impossible.

Hope that clears it up.

 

[AirPo]

Thanks for the history. You seem to like to be on the end of a long thread, almost like you are trying to get the last word.
Anyhow, that is a good point, why do things adapt fast in the spirit also state? We see the changes again when the state changes for the millennium. The answer is that the cause of the change is the change in the state of the universe. It has ripple effects on life, and physical matter, and light, gravity, etc.

It only sounds silly when one is imagining that it is the present state, where, of course it is impossible.

Hope that clears it up.

It's the same old song and dance, so it doesn't matter where one jumps in.

 

[dad]

It's the same old song and dance, so it doesn't matter where one jumps in.

According to same old so called science it is. I disagree. I think He will do a new thing. Not boring, is He.

 

[Jester4kicks]

What you fail to comprehend, is that the tests are all present state based, and simply project that into the past, as if it applies! They can't really test the far past, it is just a belief system, that is exalted against the truth of the bible.

What are you talking about? Many of our tests, experiments, and theories are based on things that happened in the past.

One easy example would be our methods for determining the distances of galaxies in space. There are acutally multiple methods utilized, and some of those methods (not all) rely on measuring the light from those galaxies. This is light that we are just now seeing, but which actually originated billions of years ago from distant stars.

If ever there was an example of consistent scientific predictions, this is it. A different state past would result in all sorts of errors in our calculations of distance when those calculations were matched up with the light measurements. Instead, we find that our theories are not only confirmed, but repeatedly and reliably confirmed!

 

[Jester4kicks]

Thanks for the history. You seem to like to be on the end of a long thread, almost like you are trying to get the last word.
Anyhow, that is a good point, why do things adapt fast in the spirit also state? We see the changes again when the state changes for the millennium. The answer is that the cause of the change is the change in the state of the universe. It has ripple effects on life, and physical matter, and light, gravity, etc.

It only sounds silly when one is imagining that it is the present state, where, of course it is impossible.

Hope that clears it up.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about anymore.

 

[dad]

What are you talking about? Many of our tests, experiments, and theories are based on things that happened in the past.

One easy example would be our methods for determining the distances of galaxies in space. There are acutally multiple methods utilized, and some of those methods (not all) rely on measuring the light from those galaxies. This is light that we are just now seeing, but which actually originated billions of years ago from distant stars.

If ever there was an example of consistent scientific predictions, this is it. A different state past would result in all sorts of errors in our calculations of distance when those calculations were matched up with the light measurements. Instead, we find that our theories are not only confirmed, but repeatedly and reliably confirmed!

No! The tests are here and now. The assumption is that it was the same.

 

[dad]

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about anymore.

I do, actually, guess who that leaves?

 

[MoonLancer]

I do, actually, guess who that leaves?

a guy in a straight jacket?

 

[Jester4kicks]

No! The tests are here and now. The assumption is that it was the same.

dad, it's not an assumption. If the speed of light was different in the past, the light traveling from billions of light years away would exhibit different properties than we predict.

But it doesn't. The evidence confirms the predictions and supports the theories.

It behaves exactly like we expect it to behave.... but it's billions of years old!


You can shout "different state past" till you're blue in the face (and I don't doubt for a second that you haven't).... it doesn't change the fact that EVERY bit of solid evidence supports the assertions of tried-and-true scientific theories.