Absurdities of so called science

[Nathan Poe]

Well, do you believe it is the word of God? Let us know. If so, you would respect it. If not, who really cares what you think!?

There's a thin line between respect and worship -- you pole-vault over it when it comes to the Bible.

Just because you don't know Him does not mean He is dead, or doesn't exist. It doesn't work that way

What way does it work, dad? You say it, so it must be true? Or if not you, then how many? A thousand? A million? A billion? How popular must an idea be before it becomes true?

I have enough time to research my opinions, enough to defend them. And to put a cohesive case on the table. In the discussions, for example of Egypt, and Sumer, I did more than make some remark that I read them. I actually discussed the content.

You discussed nothing that a person with average education would know -- even a person who's never read Shakespeare knows that Romeo and Juliet are two kids who commited suicide.

The illusion of an educatino may go a long way for your own self-glorification, but nobody else is fooled.

If anyone wants to talk dates, I am ready to look at the basis for those dates. If anyone talks content, I am ready to meet them in the field of battle, and prevail, more than likely.

You've never prevailed before -- only blathered.

So, if you have something to contribute other than casting fireballs of doubts and aspersions, do let us know.

I leave the baseless doubts and aspersions to you, dad -- you've got it covered.

So did Lot's wife, I recall. Fat lot of good it seemed to do her.

Salt pillars are very common in the Dead Sea -- its salt content is through the roof. An etiological myth to explain that would be expected.

Your misreading of it, sadly, is also expected.

You may discuss history and put something on the table any time now. We'll check out your work. I already did. I factually pointed out that history supported the long lifespans and flood, and spirits etc of the different past.

Except you didn't use any history -- you used mythology.

The same mythology which leads you to believe in pixies.

That is false. God's people are and were not Hebrews, except in the era of those Hebrews that believed. His people always will be here, and always were from the garden on down! The issue is whether the Sumerians and ancient early Egypt were post flood. If they were, then God's people were here tooo!

They were before the flood -- and seeing as how they all survived, that leaves a problem with the hebrew version.

There is no way that the far from God heathen peoples have any record older than ours! No way.

(Emphasis mine) going to back this up with some facts, or are you still blathering?

All that we see is that the written records so far known to man, as for original copies go, have God's people's written records as later.

Except they're not records -- neither is the Bible on these matters.

Fret not, dad -- nobody expects you to get this right.

That means nothing, of course. The hard drives of heaven had the record, ans spit it out as needed, and those records are older. We win, and no one can prove otherwise. Who cares about the clay tablets? It is the record itself, both passed by word of mouth, angels, and God Persoanlly, that was in existence that matters. Not when a photocopy was made.

More self-glorifying blather; nary a shred of proof.

Not sure what they acknowledge, but they will have to agree with what I just said, which trumps all else anyhow. If they disagree they are wrong.

Since when do you trump anything?

I have done some research on the matter, thanks. And just the opposite turns out to be true! Funny that.

Why do you feel the need to lie about your credentials to-- oh, that's right: self-glorification.

Great,..so? Have you any results you can share of this studying??

Sure -- what would you like to know?

Glad you are aware of some of the basics. Too bad you seem to be unaware of the history of the ark itself, not a movie. When it was taken, tens of thousands of heathen were killed, and forced to return it.

Great myth -- got any facts? No? Funny that.

You are the one that brings up pixies. I bring up spirits. If you think all spirits and spiritual is untrue, and always has been, you are in a boat with holes, sitting on a sandy beach. It just doesn't float, or jive with reality of man's experience through all time.

Which reality is that? The invisible spirit reality, or the etiological mythic reality?

I ignore none at all, I have met any evidence head on, and tamed the beast.

More self-glorifying blather. If only you were one-tenth the champion you think you are -- God might have a use for you.

That is why you can only talk in shadows, and cannot come out and discuss actual issues in any meaningful way at all. But, some are not here for that, are they?

Shout out to the masses, dad -- find the ones who don't laugh at you.

You're here to entertain us -- so dance.

 

[pgp_protector]

Well, do you believe it is the word of God? Let us know. If so, you would respect it. If not, who really cares what you think!?
...snip...

Jesus the Christ is the Word, the Bible is his story.

 

[dad]

Jesus the Christ is the Word, the Bible is his story.

I see. So that is so, because...? What, you declare it? Yes, Jesus is the word, but I see no reason to assume that when God spoke the universe into existence, and light, etc, that was not also His word? I see no reason to assume that the words He gave to man are not also His word? There is no way to sideline the bible, or separate it from Jesus. They go hand in Hand. Therefore one may not wave it away as stories and fables, and poetry.

His word has unimaginable power. Much more power than this universe holds, or man could fathom. His word creates, it is something real. It is given to man, as our words, and as we can relate to, but it represents all the power in the universe and literally infinitely more! The word became flesh, and lived among man. Ir ALSO took the form of the scripture, best as I can tell.

 

[dad]

There's a thin line between respect and worship -- you pole-vault over it when it comes to the Bible.

See my last post, I nailed that one already.

What way does it work, dad? You say it, so it must be true? Or if not you, then how many? A thousand? A million? A billion? How popular must an idea be before it becomes true?

It works not by what you or I like, or vote for! The word of God works and has always worked in real ways, in real people, and wisdom is justified of her children. The others will just have to make do with what they have.
No one voted for Jesus to rise up from being very very dead. Or for the prophesies in the bible that came true. There can be no other explanation for many fulfilled prophesy, other than time itself was put aside, and crossed. For example, Jesus knew who would dip bread with Him, before it happened.

You discussed nothing that a person with average education would know -- even a person who's never read Shakespeare knows that Romeo and Juliet are two kids who commited suicide.

The illusion of an educatino may go a long way for your own self-glorification, but nobody else is fooled.

I don't deal, like some in illusions. See, the records of antiquity really do tell of real and clear differences with the present. Appealing to the education system can't change that. I have little respect for the public education system anyhow. I vote that it all be shut down within 24 hours forever! That would likely bankrup a lot of drug pushers, legal and illegal! It would also save a lot of kids getting molested. It would also protect millions from having Sodomy 101 rammed down their throats. Etc.
But, if there is any facts from the education system, or elsewhere you can put on the table, please do so.

I leave the baseless doubts and aspersions to you, dad -- you've got it covered.

Of all the things I doubt, real evidence and the word of God are not among them. I can live with that.

Salt pillars are very common in the Dead Sea -- its salt content is through the roof. An etiological myth to explain that would be expected.

Dreams. Too bad that you can't do more than insinuate. Please stick to facts. Fact is man has no clue about Lot's wife at all. Why pretend?

Except you didn't use any history -- you used mythology.

The records are what they are, and you can call them what you like. The facts are that so called science is a myth. The ability to confirm or deny spiritual things in the records of ancient Egypt is way way beyond science, and you! Therefore you cannot comment intelligently on that record. About all you can demonstrate is that is it out of your fishbowl or ability, and reach.

They were before the flood -- and seeing as how they all survived, that leaves a problem with the hebrew version.

In no way is that true. The dates are the only problem, as they are predicated upon a lie. Founded on a fable. Mounted opon a myth.

Except they're not records -- neither is the Bible on these matters.

Of course they are. What, we should find records of Sumer in Scandenavia? Records of the flood in Frankfurt? If people record stuff it is a record. Not a perfect record, but a record nonetheless.

Why do you feel the need to lie about your credentials to-- oh, that's right: self-glorification.

Why pretend that anything I say is not true? Can you show us this supposed lie? That is ridiculous.

Sure -- what would you like to know?

Upon what is the dates based, for the material itself? And upon what, within the Sumer epic, are supposed dates derived from, and is there any proof? (example, if a succession of kings is listed, can we verify that it is a sequential record, or that they were real?)

Shout out to the masses, dad -- find the ones who don't laugh at you.

You're here to entertain us -- so dance.

I do provide some humor, thankfully, and with so called science to work with, how could I not? The absurdities of science I notice are not being contested much!! That is because they really are absurdities of so called science.

Let's add to that list. Bird migration (and other creatures), and the conciousness and mind of man! Even real science is in the dark about this, largely! How does a humingbird, with a teeny brain precisely find it's way year after year?! Why does a human being have a conciousness?

What a laugh. I like science being put in it's place.

 

[Nathan Poe]

maybe "dad" will read AV's post about taking a leave of absence, then, follow the Biblical injunction to...


GO FORTH AND DO LIKEWISE !!!

I can think of many people I'd like to remind of that Biblical injunction -- usually after quoting Matthew 27:5.

 

[Hespera]

I can think of many people I'd like to remind of that Biblical injunction -- usually after quoting Matthew 27:5.

Be nice.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Be nice.

That was nice -- I didn't name names.

 

[dad]

Don't expect an Idolater to forsake their Idol so easily -- particularly when their ultimate goal is self-glorification.

Case in point...



dad seems just about ready to challenge the Christian premise that Jesus Christ is the Word of God -- not necessarily because he disbelieves it, but because it does him no good.

But then he remembers what he's trying to pass himself off as, and continues...



dad sees no reason to separate the act with the words used to describe the act. To him, the map is the territory.

dad, since you earlier confused Raiders of the Lost Ark with actual history, I'm going to assume you're familiar with the movie. Remember the scene in the Map Room where the sunbeam goes through Indy's jeweled staff and points out the location of the Ark? Did you ever wonder why Indy didn't strt digging right there?

Because that was just a map -- a crude representation of the actual site -- not the real thing.

The word of a king is something that needs to be respected. Belief in His word is anything but idolatry, of course. It is a commandment. Jesus believed the scriptures, and taught them, and from them. Disrespecting them is disrespecting God.

Similarly, man's words in the Bible are crude representations (very crude -- Anceint Hebrew isn't exactly the most expressive of languages) of the real thing.

That you worship the symbols as much as the real thing reeks of Idolatry.

You think God didn't know that, and what men He would use?

Right -- the Bible is as important as Jesus

He was born, and raised with it!

And all this time, Christians have foolishly been worshiping a trinity -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- when they should be worshipping a Quadrilogy -- Father, Son, Book, and Holy Spirit.

No. The word of a king is part of him.

And yet His words, in the form of my Bible, for all its power, is sitting on my bookshelf collecting dust, right between my copies of Dante's Inferno (Longfellow translation) and Kerouac's On The Road.*

They activate when they react with a mixture of belief, and use, inside the test tube of a man! Otherwise, they are cleverly disguised as mere words, to the untrained observer, they appear as any other book of words, as you point out. How amazing it works that way. Hid from the 'wise' as it were.

When Jesus read the scripture, it came alive, whirrrr..it can do the same for us. There is unimaginable power in the words of God.
Imagine that it is like E in a physics equation. Energy, they say equals mass moving at the speed of light. His word went out, like energy, and made all things, even light! It is no wonder that the true nature involves light moving at the speed of God's will, and word! That is a taste of true science.

 

[Nathan Poe]

The word of a king is something that needs to be respected. Belief in His word is anything but idolatry, of course. It is a commandment. Jesus believed the scriptures, and taught them, and from them. Disrespecting them is disrespecting God.

And still you place the Bible on the same level as God and Jesus -- your Idolatry continues.

You think God didn't know that, and what men He would use?

What God knows or doesn't know matters little so long as you remain clueless.

He was born, and raised with it!

Actually, dad -- the Bible wasn't compiled in any kind of written form until at least a full century after Jesus' life on Earth came to a close. It would be at least three centuries before it came into the form we recognize today.

As an observant Jew, of course, Jesus would be familiar with Hebrew Scriptures -- both in oral and occasionally written form, but that's only a drop in the Biblical bucket, isn't it?

Please don't compound your Idolatry with historical ignorance -- you're in a deep enough theological hole as it is.

No. The word of a king is part of him.

So you forsake the whole to worship the part -- Idolatry, and short-sighted Idolatry at that.

They activate when they react with a mixture of belief, and use, inside the test tube of a man! Otherwise, they are cleverly disguised as mere words, to the untrained observer, they appear as any other book of words, as you point out. How amazing it works that way. Hid from the 'wise' as it were.

Sounds a lot like The One Ring -- disguised as an "ordinary" magical trinket until the time was right for it to wake up.

Give it up, dad -- you're no Tolkein.

When Jesus read the scripture, it came alive, whirrrr..it can do the same for us. There is unimaginable power in the words of God.
Imagine that it is like E in a physics equation. Energy, they say equals mass moving at the speed of light. His word went out, like energy, and made all things, even light!

You have no idea what anything you just said actually means -- and that's just plain sad.

It is no wonder that the true nature involves light moving at the speed of God's will, and word! That is a taste of true science.

No, it's a mix of Idolatry and self-glorification. You really do want to pass yourself off as a prophet. Pathetic.

 

[dad]

(Emphasis mine) There is an explanation -- no one voted for it, but a few people did write it that way.

People wrote as inspired, and inspiration is oout of your range of ability to comment on. Maybe find something, like grade school grammar?

And you persist in calling them "records." No wonder you confused Raiders of the Lost Ark with real events.

The Egyptians, of course had records, as did others. Noot sure why you are rattling on about nothing.

So long as you worship a book, it's all you can live with.

Disbelieving the word brang the wrath of God throughout history. It is not negotiable, it is part of AGod, being His word. Reject it, and you reject Him.

Because you are? I understand that having an education means I'm coming into this debate with an unfair advantage, but I assumed we could both at least play by the same rules.

If any education you tout had an advantage, it would have been seen long ago. Why not show us all?

After all, if you're allowed to make magical speculations, I should at least be able to make cultural ones. I'm even giving you a free pass because you have nothing to substantiate your blather besides "The Book I worship says so!"

False, you may not declare all that is outside the fishbowl 'magic' and then proceed to malign the records of early civilization, on a whim, and a preference, and a doubt!

Better the fishbowl than the padded cell.

Yes, this universe as it is is alright. So..?

For someone who demands a lot of facts, dad -- you sure have none to offer on your own behalf.

History and the bible, and science. That is what I have. You have..?

Well, that's a tall order -- most of which you've handwave away anyway. nevertheless...

Thiis is what an excuse for not putting a researched cohesive case on any topic at all that I remember on the table? OK.

The records (which, in and of themselves, are not part of the Gilgamesh epic) are incomplete and unreliable -- as is most oral tradition. However, if the Sumerian Kings list is to be trusted at all, then there was a King Gilgamesh who ruled in approximately 2600 BC, by our calander.

No, it is not to be trusted as gospel, of course. It is to be looked at for what it is, and what bits can be salvaged from it. Not for dates.

Now, we know the Sumerians were wiped out by the Akkadians, we know that the Akkadians were wiped out by the Babylonians, and we know that the Babylonians already had a flourishing civilization long before the Hebrews came onto the scene.

So??? Iraq and Afghanistan were wiped out by the US, in a few months. The new regimes there might be flourishing, if one wanted to call it that, but that does not mean that great time was involved!

I won't bore you with the dates; you'll just deny them in a fit of hysteria, but since fragments of the epic have been discovered in the Sumerian, Akkadian, and Babylonian languages, and since the only significant changes were of a religious/cultural nature (Some Sumerian Gods were changed to Akkadian ones, then to Babylonian, for instance), then anyone with two brain cells to rub together can get a general idea of how far back the story goes, and what happened to it as time and conquest marched on.

So you dare not offer dates, because you know the basis as well as I do. Don't blame you! Not sure how a story passed down means anything??? We likely could find a tale of Arabian Nights in Iraq still. So?

Who says it's precise? Even a teeny brain can figure out "North" and "South" -- there may yet be hope for you to do it someday without a GPS.

So, now you think north and south works to back up your vague ideas? Explain.

Are you seeing the exact same hummingbirds year after year?

Some have tagged some of them, and found that they appear in theiir back yard again next year. Precision!!! So, rather than dancing around the bush, what about human conciousness, and migration? Why is science in the dark, largely?

How do you define consciousness? If you want to call it more than a pattern of electrical circuts through select parts of the brain, you're going to have to provide a fact or two -- not really your strong point, is it?

Well, those of us that are concious, should understand what it is! I have assumed you were consious. Was that a mistake? What is life, and the essence of the being and life of a person? What causes emotional pleasure and pain, and memories, and love, etc? Science can look at how the brain works to some deegree, but not what imputs the thoughts and heart of man.

Its place, dad -- there's no apostrophe when "it" is used in the posessive.

Very good. Shall we recite the alphabet now, and stick a kid in the corner with a dunce cap, if a capitol was missed somewhere as well? What fun.

Perhaps you gave up on education just a bit too soon?

Not soon enough, if you mean formal propaganda by law, in institutionalized slavey centers, that have as a mandate, to avoid God, which means the truth!

 

[Nathan Poe]

People wrote as inspired, and inspiration is oout of your range of ability to comment on. Maybe find something, like grade school grammar?

Now, now, dad -- don't be bitter at the more educated people. We've already esablished that the sole basis for your belief in "inspiration" is your own limited imagination. You certainly don't "know" any more about inspiration than the rest of us -- all you have to go on is your own uninspired opinion.

The Egyptians, of course had records, as did others. Noot sure why you are rattling on about nothing.

You're the one who's putting Hollywood on the same level as reality -- and you're continually lashing out at the people trying to help you separate fact from myth.

Careful, dad -- your bitterness is showing.

Disbelieving the word brang the wrath of God throughout history. It is not negotiable, it is part of AGod, being His word. Reject it, and you reject Him.

Reject it, and you reject him. Believe it, and you believe Him. Worship it, and you worship Him.

Heard it all before, dad -- and it's still Idolatry.

If any education you tout had an advantage, it would have been seen long ago. Why not show us all?

Careful, dad -- your bitterness is showing.

As for my education, it activates when it reacts with a mixture of reason and use, inside the test tube of a man! Otherwise, it is cleverly disguised as mere words, to the untrained observer, they appear as any other post of words, as you point out. How amazing it works that way. Hid from the 'devout' as it were.

False, you may not declare all that is outside the fishbowl 'magic' and then proceed to malign the records of early civilization, on a whim, and a preference, and a doubt!

Merely following your lead, dad -- No one sees you proving any of those "records" to be anything other than etiological myth.

Even the very descendants of the people who wrote those records -- with a minority exception of those seeking self-glorification -- freely admit that's what they are.

Yes, this universe as it is is alright. So..?

Enjoy the view from the padded cell.

History and the bible, and science. That is what I have. You have..?

History, the Bible, science, reason, education, self-respect, security, and enough self-esteem to find purpose in my life without Magical Men in the Sky. You have...?

Thiis is what an excuse for not putting a researched cohesive case on any topic at all that I remember on the table? OK.

You worship a book, you believe in pixies, and can't tell the difference between fantasy and history. You've already missed every reasoned researched cohesive case I've put on the table in exchange for your self-edifying blather.

Face it, dad -- you're just not that special.

No, it is not to be trusted as gospel, of course. It is to be looked at for what it is, and what bits can be salvaged from it. Not for dates.

I agree -- No ancient literature should be taken at face value. Can you imagine what kind of blather people would come up with if they--

-- hmmm... I suppose you could imagine precisely that.

So??? Iraq and Afghanistan were wiped out by the US, in a few months. The new regimes there might be flourishing, if one wanted to call it that, but that does not mean that great time was involved!

Last I checked, Iraq and Afghanistan still existed. Do you not know what it means to be "wiped out"? Guess not.

So you dare not offer dates, because you know the basis as well as I do.

Just not going to waste my breath on the unimportant.

Don't blame you! Not sure how a story passed down means anything???

Don't blame me if you're not sure -- you gave up on education, remember?

We likely could find a tale of Arabian Nights in Iraq still. So?

A first edition? produce it, if you please.

So, now you think north and south works to back up your vague ideas? Explain.

Explain what? You're the one who apparantly doesn't know which ways hummingbirds migrate.

Really dad -- this is getting sad, even for you.

Some have tagged some of them, and found that they appear in theiir back yard again next year. Precision!!!

Source, or are you making this up with the rest of your blather?

So, rather than dancing around the bush, what about human conciousness, and migration? Why is science in the dark, largely?

Near as I can tell, you're trying to shoehorn your spiritualism into grey areas of human knowledge. If you want to worship ignorance, that's your business -- but I warn you, it's been done before.

it's not going to make you special -- it barely makes you interesting.

Well, those of us that are concious, should understand what it is! I have assumed you were consious. Was that a mistake?

No, it's a typo -- conscious

So, you going to tap dance or provide a definition for us to explore?

Not that I care one way or the other, mind you -- I really expect nothing of you at this point.

What is life, and the essence of the being and life of a person? What causes emotional pleasure and pain, and memories, and love, etc? Science can look at how the brain works to some deegree, but not what imputs the thoughts and heart of man.

That's a mystery nobody has an honest answer for yet -- the philosophy department's down the hall and to the left. Take it on faith and/or reason, my boy.

Very good. Shall we recite the alphabet now, and stick a kid in the corner with a dunce cap, if a capitol was missed somewhere as well? What fun.

Perhaps you should -- your education needs to begin somewhere basic before we move on to the heavier topics.

Again, not that I think you're particularly worth it, but someone might...

Not soon enough, if you mean formal propaganda by law, in institutionalized slavey centers, that have as a mandate, to avoid God, which means the truth!

Out of (morbid) curiousity, dad -- how long have you been having these feelings of persecution?

 

[dad]

Actually, dad -- the Bible wasn't compiled in any kind of written form until at least a full century after Jesus' life on Earth came to a close. It would be at least three centuries before it came into the form we recognize today.

The scriptures were here, just not complete yet. He read them, and fulfilled them. Hec, even the devil quoted them to Jesus, maybe ask him, since you don't believe me.

As an observant Jew, of course, Jesus would be familiar with Hebrew Scriptures -- both in oral and occasionally written form, but that's only a drop in the Biblical bucket, isn't it?

The OT is actually the majority by far. Some drop. More like the elephant in the room, soory you missed that.

You have no idea what anything you just said actually means -- and that's just plain sad.

Sorry if E=MC2 seems so unknowable to you.

Oh, and about your puritan grammer would be correction on the word "it's" It's OK to use it, apparently. Not a mortal sin.
"
ITS, it's or its can mean:

• its, the possessive adjective and possessive pronoun form of the personal pronoun it
• it's, a contraction of it is or it has
• '
• --wiki
  

 

[dad]

Now, now, dad -- don't be bitter at the more educated people. We've already esablished that the sole basis for your belief in "inspiration" is your own limited imagination. You certainly don't "know" any more about inspiration than the rest of us -- all you have to go on is your own uninspired opinion.

Inspiration is known by countless millions, nothing to do with my imagination at all. Guess it is a foreign concept to some

Reject it, and you reject him. Believe it, and you believe Him. Worship it, and you worship Him.

Heard it all before, dad -- and it's still Idolatry.

Say whatever you want, it cannot be dismissed, or disbelieved, or separated from God, it is His word.

As for my education, it activates when it reacts with a mixture of reason and use, inside the test tube of a man! Otherwise, it is cleverly disguised as mere words, to the untrained observer, they appear as any other post of words, as you point out. How amazing it works that way. Hid from the 'devout' as it were.

Cleverly disguised indeed. I haven't seen it yet.

Merely following your lead, dad -- No one sees you proving any of those "records" to be anything other than etiological myth.

They are records, call them what you will. And they agree with God's word on key issues. Don't fight it.

Even the very descendants of the people who wrote those records -- with a minority exception of those seeking self-glorification -- freely admit that's what they are.

I am a son of Adam, and others in the bible as well, even God! A son of God!! How sweet it is! Better to ask live relatives than dead ones, I would say.

Enjoy the view from the padded cell.

Not something those of a sound mind worry about. You seem concerned..

History, the Bible, science, reason, education, self-respect, security, and enough self-esteem to find purpose in my life without Magical Men in the Sky. You have...?

A thread. With a topic.

Face it, dad -- you're just not that special.

On the contrary God died for me, and all men, we are so special, no one on earth knows, including me. That is why the debasing and degrading education so called that puts men as four footed beasts, and even worms, is such diabolical trash. Education has said in it's heart, there is no God.

Therefore the nations are mad. And getting very ripe for the final lowering of the boom by the Almighty.

I agree -- No ancient literature should be taken at face value. Can you imagine what kind of blather people would come up with if they--

No heathen literature. God's word is better than gold, tried in the furnace, and proven over and over.

Last I checked, Iraq and Afghanistan still existed. Do you not know what it means to be "wiped out"? Guess not.

No, I tend to be the one wiping out so called science claims, so I am not too familiar with the concept.

Don't blame me if you're not sure -- you gave up on education, remember?

Not on learning, just godless learning that can never come to a knowledge of the truth, and is a waste of time.

Explain what? You're the one who apparantly doesn't know which ways hummingbirds migrate.

No idea what you are talking about, and why you try to avoid dealing with how science is donkey dumb on some things.

Source, or are you making this up with the rest of your blather?

No, that was a news story I remeber reading, of a man who saw the same birds he banded each year in his back yard. Here is a general link
http://www.rubythroat.org/HummerResultsMain.html

That's a mystery nobody has an honest answer for yet -- the philosophy department's down the hall and to the left. Take it on faith and/or reason, my boy.

Science is the topic here lad. And you admit it has no answers on this. OK.



One absurdity of so called science is the terrorism that they employ. They scare little kids about how the stars and sun will all die one day, and the universe be dark, etc! What a lie.

 

[Nathan Poe]

The scriptures were here, just not complete yet. He read them, and fulfilled them. Hec, even the devil quoted them to Jesus, maybe ask him, since you don't believe me.

He would be a more reliable source -- certainly one more in the know.

Not to mention far more interesting.

The OT is actually the majority by far. Some drop. More like the elephant in the room, soory you missed that.

Majority? Ah, that's right -- you do like to picture yourself with the masses behind you. Too bad it doesn't address my point.

Sorry if E=MC2 seems so unknowable to you.

I'm not the one who needs to misapply it for self-glorification.

Oh, and about your puritan grammer would be correction on the word "it's" It's OK to use it, apparently. Not a mortal sin.
"
ITS, it's or its can mean:

• its, the possessive adjective and possessive pronoun form of the personal pronoun it
• it's, a contraction of it is or it has
• '
• --wiki
  

Precisely -- and you misused it before. Sorry that you resent being educated.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Inspiration is known by countless millions, nothing to do with my imagination at all. Guess it is a foreign concept to some

Except you're not inspired. Why would anyone believe you are anything but ordinary?

Say whatever you want, it cannot be dismissed, or disbelieved, or separated from God, it is His word.

If idolatry makes you feel special, far be it for me to dissuade you.

Perhaps I can find a Christian to discuss the matter at length with.

Cleverly disguised indeed. I haven't seen it yet.

Precisely.

They are records, call them what you will. And they agree with God's word on key issues. Don't fight it.

Actually, it's your idol which agrees with them -- even if the Bible does get it wrong more often than not.

But again, far be it for me to undermine your support system.

I am a son of Adam, and others in the bible as well, even God! A son of God!! How sweet it is! Better to ask live relatives than dead ones, I would say.

I see -- now you're the Son of God.

Not something those of a sound mind worry about.

You must be panicked.

You seem concerned..

WHen the mad run free, everyone should be concerned -- with, of course, the exception of the mad.

A thread. With a topic.

On the contrary God died for me, and all men, we are so special, no one on earth knows, including me. That is why the debasing and degrading education so called that puts men as four footed beasts, and even worms, is such diabolical trash. Education has said in it's heart, there is no God.

You think men have four feet? How sad.

Therefore the nations are mad. And getting very ripe for the final lowering of the boom by the Almighty.

Oh well -- easy come, easy go.

No heathen literature. God's word is better than gold, tried in the furnace, and proven over and over.

Proven by whom? The people who idolize it?

No, I tend to be the one wiping out so called science claims, so I am not too familiar with the concept.

My, my -- don't we think we're important!

Not on learning, just godless learning that can never come to a knowledge of the truth, and is a waste of time.

And yet, for all your claims of having God, you're no closer to "knowing" truth than anyone else -- your uninspired opinion is all you have.

No idea what you are talking about,

Not surprised.

and why you try to avoid dealing with how science is donkey dumb on some things.

Never claimed this wasn't the case. Has religion fared any better?

No, that was a news story I remeber reading, of a man who saw the same birds he banded each year in his back yard. Here is a general link
http://www.rubythroat.org/HummerResultsMain.html

Well, you posted something interesting. Isn't it amazing the things science is continually discovering?

Science is the topic here lad. And you admit it has no answers on this. OK.

Never claimed it did -- again, have you fared any better?

Didn't think so.

One absurdity of so called science is the terrorism that they employ. They scare little kids about how the stars and sun will all die one day, and the universe be dark, etc! What a lie.

You're afraid of stars going out?

 

[dad]

He would be a more reliable source -- certainly one more in the know.

Not to mention far more interesting.

Interesting how you have nothing but good things to say about the devil. Personally, I do not find liars interesting, and his fruits from Eden only kill man.

Majority? Ah, that's right -- you do like to picture yourself with the masses behind you. Too bad it doesn't address my point.

Have you never counted the books in the bible? The OT is the majority. This is news? Here is a test you can run, if you doubt me. Buy a New Testament, put it on the table beside a whole bible. Does it look near as big?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Interesting how you have nothing but good things to say about the devil.

So long as you place the Devil in opposition to yourself, I will always choose the less banal of the two evils.

Personally, I do not find liars interesting, and his fruits from Eden only kill man.

His fruits from Eden? Interesting how you mangle Christian theology to take the glory for creation away from God.

Interesting, but not surprising.

Have you never counted the books in the bible? The OT is the majority.

It is -- you, however, are alone and statistically insignificant.

This is news? Here is a test you can run, if you doubt me. Buy a New Testament, put it on the table beside a whole bible. Does it look near as big?

Put you next to the people who think you're a loon. Do you look nearly as big?

 

[dad]

Except you're not inspired. Why would anyone believe you are anything but ordinary?

Ordinary men that are indwelt by the Holy Ghost can be inspired. Comes with the territory. Ordinary men can also be inspired by other spirits, whether they know it or not. Any science to show otherwise?

I see -- now you're the Son of God.

A son of God, of course. And joint heir with Him.

WHen the mad run free, everyone should be concerned -- with, of course, the exception of the mad.

That's nice.

And yet, for all your claims of having God, you're no closer to "knowing" truth than anyone else -- your uninspired opinion is all you have.

How would you know?!

Well, you posted something interesting. Isn't it amazing the things science is continually discovering?

Yes, especially about how small it really is, and how much it can't and doesn't know.

You're afraid of stars going out?

Not at all, I know the so called science claims are a crock. But I am not an innocent kid.

 

[dad]

So long as you place the Devil in opposition to yourself, I will always choose the less banal of the two evils.

I can't take the credit for your choices, as we both know. I think they were made before I ever posted here.

His fruits from Eden? Interesting how you mangle Christian theology to take the glory for creation away from God.

Not at all, the fruits of the liar brought death in the garden.

It is -- you, however, are alone and statistically insignificant.

My beliefs are anything but alone.

People, I would think read threads for content, and an actual exchange of ideas. Is it any wonder when you spam more in a thread, and are unable to honestly debate any ideas, or defend any cohesive case, I see no one else posting? Work on that.

 

[AV1611VET]

WHen the mad run free, everyone should be concerned -- with, of course, the exception of the mad.

You rang?

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